37 Things Conspiratards Believe

What’s good for the goose is good for the conspiratard…


37 Things Conspiratards Believe

In October of 2016, I published a post entitled 37 Things Normies Believe.

In retrospect we can see that this was one of the key pieces which ultimately set the tone for the direction of this website right through to this day.

Then in June of 2017 I produced a video in which I covered the first ten Things on the list, and explained why I believe every one of them to be a hoax/deception.

Lately, some veteran members of this site — Dante from NY, Chad628 and Nate — have been throwing around a few ideas about what a ’37 Things Conspiratards Believe’ list might look like.

For those new to the site, it is a long-running trope on johnlebon.com that ‘normies’ and ‘conspiratards’ are two sides of the same coin.

This idea was explored in a video released in May of 2017, following the viral success of my Ariana Grande sketch video.

The long story short is this: many ‘awake’ people like to believe that other ‘awake’ people are intelligent and thoughtful, that they are somehow superior to the normies.

The simple (and oftentimes disheartening) reality is that this is simply not the case. The ‘awake’ people are just as lemming-like as their normie brethren.

In fact, when observed and analysed objectively and dispassionately, normies and conspiratards reveal themselves to be amazingly similar in fundamental ways, to the point where a practicing skeptic will have no interest in identifying with either group.

I have created this post to serve as a place for Dante, Chad, Nate, and anybody else who might be interested in doing so, to put forward and discuss suggestions about some of the beliefs which are most popular among the conspiratards.

Some people have in the past objected to the use (by myself and others) of terms like ‘normie’ and ‘conspiratard’. If you watch the ‘Conspiratards vs Normies’ video mentioned above, it will probably go some way to explaining why I personally believe that these terms are useful and appropriate when used in context.

You can get a better idea of why certain terms (e.g. ‘normie’) are used on this site, and what they are taken to mean, on the JLB Lingo page.

With that said, the comment section of this post will also serve as a place to discuss the merits of the terminology in question. I am nothing if not open to constructive criticism and alternative opinions and ideas, so if you would like to critique the normie/conspiratard terminology question on a meta-level, this is the place to do so 🙂

This post will be publicly available unless you, the Members of johnlebon.com, vote to make it otherwise.

Finally I will end this post by adding my appreciation for this idea. Top work, Dante, and also Chad and Nate and for building upon it so quickly — ‘like a bat out of hell’, as they say.


Below are the initial comments from Dante, Chad and Nate, left on 37 Things Normies Believe.

I have added the numbers myself for illustrative purposes.

Note that the list does not have to be limited to 37.

Consider this post and the reply suggestions to be the initial shortlist.


Dante

not well fleshed out, but wanted to kickstart the idea i had last night.

37 things conspiritards believe: [JLB’s note: I spell it conspiratard, but there is no entry for this word in the Oxford Dictionary – yet – so I personally feel that either spelling should suffice]

1) ‘paid shills permeate the internet seeking to suppress and divide the truth community’

2) ‘We’re all being deprived of free energy’

3) ‘All content – especially ‘truth’ related content – should be free’ [JLB’s note: Yep. This is the ‘tard litmus test, imho]

4) ‘The elite class is evil and seeks to enslave and / or eradicate humanity’

5) ‘there are various ‘movements’ rebelling against the system … and some will get somewhere soon’

6) ‘if just enough normies ‘wake up’ , there’ll be a tipping point from which the cradle will rock, the bough will break, and down will come the lie system!’

7) ‘if only gold and silver were used again as money, we’d all be wealthier and the money lenders would lose their usurious power’

8) ‘there are pedophile rings that permeate hollywood, the halls of congress, on upward to the international power structure’

9) ‘it is an effective communications strategy and socially intelligent behavior to proselytize alternative / conspiracy / truth messages to the masses’

10) ‘watching youtube videos is equivalent to original investigative research’ [JLB’s note: lol]

11) ‘there are some topics too taboo to talk about, and discussing them in public will hurt said movement(s) above’

12) ‘we are perennially on the brink of economic collapse’

will think of more..but prefer others chime in with even better bullet points.

looking forward to anyone’s additions!


Chad

13) The world is controlled by shapeshifting reptilians.

14) The earth is flat. [JLB’s note: Take that, Dante!]

15) All US presidents and their spouses were or are transsexuals.

16) CERN is changing our reality with the Hadron Collider known as the Mandela effect.

17) All closed Wallmart stores are being turned into prisons run by FEMA.

18) The current wildfires in the US are started with energy directed weapons for the purposes of weather manipulation and carrying out Agenda 21.


Nate

19) Things used to be a lot better back in the day, almost like a utopia, but then the evil puppet masters started enslaving everyone. Now things have degenerated, we are all fucked. Fight, or give up.

20) Google/internet is collecting data on everyone for nefarious purposes.

21) The evil elite is motivated by greed. “They want your money!” (in a george carlin voice).

22) The military has top secret advanced technology that would blow your freaking mind.

23) Some/many primitive societies were extremely intellectually advanced, much moreso than today. There used to be advanced knowledge and skills, but most of that has been lost, or kept secret.

24) There are real life James Bonds.

25) There is a hierarchical structure to the evil elite, therefore, there must be a single man(or woman) at the very top of the elite. And that person is a jew, a lizard, or an alien. Hahahaha, they dont realize its actually a 31 year old dude in Australia!

26) The official story, and ancient history, is a lie. What really happened was incredibly fantastic and amazing, mind blowing.
“Do you want to know what really happened? Throw another log on the fire and have a seat, and Ill tell you a tale of what REALLY happened.”

27) The reason for all the 911 syncs (The Simpsons, Back to the Future, Supertramp cover, etc) is because the evil elite was dropping clues, predictive programming by evil geniuses. For instance, Robert Zemeckis must have consciously known about plans to do 911, and so he consciously put clues in Back to the Future to warn about the attack.

28) Reading words is terribly boring. [JLB’s note: Lesta told me to say he likes this one the most]

29) The environment is totally fucked. The earth is being swarmed by once-lers.

30) Putin and Kim Jong Willy mean serious business.

Watching youtube videos is research, not entertainment. [JLB’s note: Sorry bro, been done, see #10. Although I personally like the ‘research vs entertainment’ angle better, because that is what most ‘research’ is: mere entertainment dressed up as productivity]

31) If a charming scumbag on Youtube makes a claim, or engages in fantastic speculation, and they do so without a single shred of solid evidence, that doesnt mean the scumbag is a story teller. Listening to speculation and baseless claims can be educational, and research, not entertainment.

32) The evil elite is constantly pulling off hoaxes, but somehow they always goof up their hoaxes. But if we pay close attention to the news, and pick apart their hoaxes looking for goofs, we might be able to find the “golden goof”, the smoking gun, the goof that proves to the world what the evil elite are doing. The goof that will expose the elite and blow this case wide open!

Ah, thats enough for now. Lots of overlap, mostly I was trying to remember how I used to think about the world. Good idea Dante


Post #29. Published 10-Sep-2018. Available publicly.


 

71 thoughts on “37 Things Conspiratards Believe

  • 10-September-2018 at 5:16 pm
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    You must spread the truth in anyway you can to everyone you know.

    The evil elite are running scared! We are onto them and they know it.

  • 10-September-2018 at 5:30 pm
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    I can’t believe nobody has mentioned ‘muh 5G radiation’.

    Also I would like to add:

    *There are Project Monarch / MK Ultra mind control slaves (pop stars, school shooters, etc).

    *If a ‘truth’ content creator says he has been censored, it means we should send him money.

    *The solution to the 9/11 deception is demand a ‘new investigation’.

    *Smoking muh weed is harmless and in fact cures muh cancer.

    *If I openly speak about the truth on the internet, eventually ‘they’ will come for me.

    *Leaving comments and thumbs up/down on YouTube is a form of effective activism.

    *TPWRTS care so much about us that they monitor what we say, learn about us, and then try to counteract our moves.

    *Artificial Intelligence is bad and if it ever comes to pass then it may start a World War.

    *JFK was one of the good guys and that is why he was assassinated.

    *The Freemasons are evil and any Freemason cannot be trusted.

    *Secret societies in general are inherently bad and no member of one can be trusted.

  • 11-September-2018 at 10:41 am
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    Lucis Trust and the UN exist only as a propaganda device and as a vehicle (respectively) for the elites to bring about a new world order.

  • 12-September-2018 at 5:34 pm
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    lol I knew John would keep pushing the “elites are just good ole boys doin’ the best they can just like you and me, brother!” mantra again to agitate the shill-patrol. I actually think he used the entire article as a deal-sweetening bait just to push the same old “battered truther” reverse psychology which is essential for friendly relations between potential revolutionaries and those who would rather keep them “potentials retarded” for as long as they can.

    You see, John has to convince you to love your batterer, that’s the task that his handlers Abirato and Marcus Allen have set for him and his fake opposition in this conspiretard play, this character called UNREAL who loves to investigate trannies and has the gall to call George Carlin a birth-tranny or elite gender inversion. lol They always have a turd for their punchbowls sooner or later and the aliens or “elites” manipulating human genetics and then reversing their genders just for the fuc of it or to attain this or that physical shape or look or function after birth is one of them.

    Go back to your battering husband “the elites” you troofer women and bitch men and pretend it never happened, even pretend that you DESERVED IT for being stupid! Or better yet, pretend that being smacked around is really “happiness” for you. That way, things will be “cool” again for a while, there might even be some “good times” again before dominant and unimpeded force asserts its advantage again.

    How would a smarter IQ person with more problems born of his big fat overanalyzing head ever know the bliss that the average mediocrities enjoy in their battered and tattered millions? lol How dare they call it enslavement? Those conspiritards! The lovely elitists gave them their toilet paper for clean asses and freely chosen path of bliss. Scaring the shit out of them is their duty, so that they will “freely choose” (freely Jews) to always side with the herd.

    http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/iur4ve7c2n/the_hacking_of_the_human_mind_jason_christoff_neg_chron_seventeen_lyle_mays_-.mp3

    • 12-September-2018 at 10:50 pm
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      The only people who have ‘battered’ me have been the so-called ‘truthseekers’:

      *The Flat Earth brigade led by the LobeBusters
      *The ‘hoaxbusting’ brigade led by Jeffrey C
      *The Media Fakery crowd led by Simon Shack
      *Former supporters such as Canadian Bacon

      Whereas TPWRTS (Jews or otherwise) seem quite happy to leave me (and you) alone. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?

      At what point do we take a look around and wonder if this ‘the elites are evil’ mantra is a meme spread by self-loathing lemmings?

      Intellectually, where can we find a greater collection of elites, insofar as ‘elite’ is taken to mean ‘the top tier’, than right here on this website?

      This is a serious question.

      Where can I go to meet people more intellectually elite than myself and many of the members on this site?

      If they exist, they clearly don’t care about me or you. So why would we waste any energy worrying about them?

  • 19-September-2018 at 12:35 pm
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    Space is a hoax

    History is a hoax

    War is a hoax

    Moon landings didn’t happen

    Nasa is a hoax

    School shootings are a hoax

    Terrorism is a hoax

    Oh shit, I better stop,,,,,, I’m my own definition of a conspiritard.

    • 23-September-2018 at 5:28 am
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      @RicStaR13 – i think your list would be best categorized under a separate list (i.e. 37 things Skeptics believe : )

    • 27-September-2018 at 7:04 pm
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      Ahh, they love saying that, I’ve been subject to this exact thing a few times. Because we already have a crazy theory given to us, If one doesn’t believe it, you need to have your own working model of the vast universe or you have no right to question the prevailing myths.
      This is of course ridiculous and something I don’t subscribe to,I’m quite happy to say I don’t know, I mean I used to think I knew everything, the powers that be love to make us all believe we know everything, it’s a kind of self correcting lie, if millions of kids leave school with “All” the answers then they know that the tiny amount of people that deny these theories will be quietened by the kids with all the knowledge.
      I myself have for a while thought I actually don’t know anything, it strikes me as beyond insane to think we know what the universe is, or from whence it came, by who or what, the ego does enjoy believing it knows such things. Reds Rhetoric thinks he’s mapped the universe with a few equations, he confidently asserts these claims saying his model works. Yes it does, but it’s easy to back engineer math to coincide with observations, the real trick is trying to work a 3 body problem. I once heard Reds say he could do a 60 body problem, being the moons of Saturn I believe? Anyone with any understanding knows the establishment cannot even work out a 3 body problem, sun moon and earth, yet he stated he could, there and then, work out a 60 body problem. For someone who does seem to understand math he is a stupid guy.
      But yeah, conspiritards, I am definitely guilty of being one. And when I think of what I believed 5 years ago, and realise I believe none of it now, shows to me that if I have any faith in what I believe now it’s folly. I could abandon all I know now In the next five years. Although I seem to be more non believing in stuff now, I take a stance at I’d rather not believe anything at all, I still say I don’t know. All I know is that don’t know anything at all, I am skeptical to the point of being a cynic. When people tell me “facts” I am quick to ask well how do you know this? Of course usually it’s TV.
      The lemmings are a funny bunch, I actually have much more respect for flat earthers than normies, I really do, at least the flat guys question stuff, except their own new found cult obviously, but they have at least come to realise that space is a hoax and many other quite obvious truths.

  • 29-September-2018 at 3:17 am
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    @JLB

    The SJW tag-team of Hoi Pollo and his dad Headfloss at the 2 hour and 30 minute mark of the latest Clues Chronicles;

    https://player.fm/series/the-clues-chronicle/the-clues-chronicle-issue-27-discussing-the-vicsim-report http://septclues.com/theclueschronicle/episodes/CluesChronicle027_2018-09-23_Discussing-Vicsim-Report.mp3

    here we go again:

    “Race is a result of Racism,”

    “Whiteness was created”

    LOL

    With a dad like that, it’s no wonder the son is constantly apologizing for being “white,” a created and non-existent “construct.” So “White People” both screwed over all the non-Whites of the world into backwardness AND their own “non-existent” selves? lol What the fuck is European culture then? An African and Chinese co-construct presented as White?

    Since their race “doesn’t exist” and Europe and America and Australia and New Zealand could have really been constructed by any random collective of humans from all “races,” the different levels of IQ and achievement must also be a false-frame to keep non-existent non-Whites oppressed pscyhologically into thinking they can’t do as well as non-existent Whitey, etc. lol

    So, yeah, races DO NOT and DO exist at the same time, like magic, whenever Hoi and his dad and/or K-Ham and the rest of the libs he has on the show need to bolster their non-existent arguments for forced false equality being “the way of justice,” basically nothing but endless rehashing of cultural Marxism .

    But reparations and handouts and bullshit social programs forced out of non-existent “whites,” for oppressing others into the stone-age by their non-existent talents, must still go on, right? lol

    I mean, what the fuck man! Are these people just straight up retarded?

    Hoi Polloi and that Ace dude from CF both say really intelligent things on that podcast, even the young girl, Dani, says some very on-point and very intelligent things about mass psychological manipulation. But then at the same time they push “race is a social construct” on people?

    The dad then recommends some book by the two black guys sound-clipped at the very beginning of the show. I thought that short clip was interesting, so I checkout the you tube video, they talk a bunch of voodoo non-sense for 2 hours about “history” they know nothing about and just take at face value because this or that “source” told them. ”

    https://youtu.be/Sk4nZpmV8BI

    This what Hoi Polloi and his Dad think is “cutting edge” science and history? lol

    “Epigenetics” does not disprove race, only Darwin’s Evolution theory and specifically his claim that “thousands and millions of years” are necessary for organisms to evolve. Also, just because you can imprint genes with new culturally-seeded predispositions that then show up as already “evolved” states in 3 or 4 generations, this doesn’t mean that all “free” humans with “free will” are going to make the effort to adapt to a culture enough to imprint those predispositions. Whereas, the “white Europeans,” who don’t even exist” (lol) somehow magically all had those “predispositions” already many centuries before these newcomers came along.

    Hoi can cry his river of tears about the massacre of the Indians and then simultaneously “pretend they don’t even exist.”

    How long before we hear a new cop-out term similar to “off chessboard entities” and “reptilian shape shifters” used again because they have run out of arguments (since they are afraid to even bring up the subject of Jews and consider anyone who brings it up a “scapegoater”)?

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/d7aarwusu8/equality_in_theory_and_reality.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/f9lxx4o96v/walking_contradictions_and_other_retarded_folks.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/rze52t8a4h/sorry_only_japanese_custommmmers.gif

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2gzd0lcey3/they_both_suck_but_freedom_of_choice_rules_all.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/roh14fwoeo/never_trust_a_jew_ever.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI6_R93UwAEQh2m.jpg

    @JLB

    The SJW tag-team of Hoi Pollo and his dad Headfloss at the 2 hour and 30 minute mark of the latest Clues Chronicles;

    https://player.fm/series/the-clues-chronicle/the-clues-chronicle-issue-27-discussing-the-vicsim-report http://septclues.com/theclueschronicle/episodes/CluesChronicle027_2018-09-23_Discussing-Vicsim-Report.mp3

    here we go again:

    “Race is a result of Racism,”

    “Whiteness was created”

    LOL

    With a dad like that, it’s no wonder the son is constantly apologizing for being “white,” a created and non-existent “construct.” So “White People” both screwed over the non-Whites AND their “non-existent” themselves? lol What the fuck is European culture then? An African and Chinese co-construct presented as White?

    Since their race “doesn’t exist” and Europe and America and Australia and New Zealand could have really been constructed by any random collective of humans from all “races,” the different levels of IQ and achievement must also be a false-frame to keep non-existent non-Whites oppressed pscyhologically into thinking they can’t do as well as non-existent Whitey, etc. lol

    So, yeah, races DO NOT and DO exist at the same time, like magic, whenever Hoi and his dad and/or K-Ham and the rest of the libs he has on the show need to bolster their non-existent arguments for forced false equality being “the way of justice,” basically nothing but endless rehashing of cultural Marxism .

    But reparations and handouts and bullshit social programs forced out of non-existent “whites,” for oppressing others into the stone-age by their non-existent talents, must still go on, right? lol

    I mean, what the fuck man! Are these people just straight up retarded?

    Hoi Polloi and that Ace dude from CF both say really intelligent things on that podcast, even the young girl, Dani, says some very on-point and very intelligent things about mass psychological manipulation. But then at the same time they push “race is a social construct” on people?

    The dad then recommends some book by the two black guys sound-clipped at the very beginning of the show. I thought that short clip was interesting, so I checkout the you tube video, they talk a bunch of voodoo non-sense for 2 hours about “history” they know nothing about and just take at face value because this or that “source” told them. ”

    https://youtu.be/Sk4nZpmV8BI

    This what Hoi Polloi and his Dad think is “cutting edge” science and history? lol

    “Epigenetics” does not disprove race, only Darwin’s Evolution theory and specifically his claim that “thousands and millions of years” are necessary for organisms to evolve. Also, just because you can imprint genes with new culturally-seeded predispositions that then show up as already “evolved” states in 3 or 4 generations, this doesn’t mean that all “free” humans with “free will” are going to make the effort to adapt to a culture enough to imprint those predispositions. Whereas, the “white Europeans,” who don’t even exist” (lol) somehow magically all had those “predispositions” already many centuries before these newcomers came along.

    Hoi can cry his river of tears about the massacre of the Indians and then simultaneously “pretend they don’t even exist.”

    How long before we hear a new cop-out term similar to “off chessboard entities” and “reptilian shape shifters” used again because they have run out of arguments (since they are afraid to even bring up the subject of Jews and consider anyone who brings it up a “scapegoater”)?

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/d7aarwusu8/equality_in_theory_and_reality.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/f9lxx4o96v/walking_contradictions_and_other_retarded_folks.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/rze52t8a4h/sorry_only_japanese_custommmmers.gif

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/2gzd0lcey3/they_both_suck_but_freedom_of_choice_rules_all.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/roh14fwoeo/never_trust_a_jew_ever.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI6_R93UwAEQh2m.jpg

    https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/xb05e33ejh/Spengler_011.jpg

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-man-is-firmly-convinced-that-he-is-awake-in-reality-he-is-caught-in-a-net-of-sleep-and-gustav-meyrink-67-66-48.jpg

    • 29-September-2018 at 1:02 pm
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      I happened to listen to the same podcast yesterday and that part of the conversation stood out to me as well. I was walking along thinking, ‘wtf’. A podcast which was originally supposed to be about the Vicsim Report (or so I thought), turned out to be a podcast about how KHam and Hoi grew out of believing in mainstream media narratives. Okay, no problem, I actually enjoyed that conversation, to be honest, even if I felt like I had been jibbed.

      And then the podcast morphs into a roundtable discussion about media, and the panel includes a polite-sounding fellow and his daughter. All good, I’m still listening.

      And then somebody says the word ‘jipped’ and Hoi corrects them because apparently the word ‘jipped’ comes from the word ‘gypsy’. In other words, it turns out that my spelling instincts are wrong, I suppose it is spelt ‘gypped’. In fact I had apparently been pronouncing it wrong, too. I thought it was jiBBed, not jiPPed, let alone GYPPed. I have never heard this before, but okay, it makes sense. Gypsies are known to jib/jip (gyp*) people, I have seen it myself first hand in real life. They didn’t acquire their reputation by random chance.

      And then I heard Hoi say something like, ‘I suppose as white people we have to realise that we are blind to our racism’. Those aren’t his exact words but that is what it sounded like he was trying to say. In the past I may have skipped back on that section to listen to it over again, to see if my ears/mind had deceived me. But on this occasion I was thinking to myself, you know what? I cbf.

      What a bizarre dude this Hoi guy is. The call had NOTHING to do with so-called ‘racism’, Hoi’s fellow panelist was NOT being ‘racist’, the gentleman used a word which — until I heard the podcast in question — I personally didn’t even know had anything to do with gypsies, and then Hoi decided to make a point about calling white people inherently people racist.

      What on god’s green earth…

      I feel sorry for Hoi if that is how his mind truly operates.

      • 29-September-2018 at 5:59 pm
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        I think the gypped from gypsy thing he was criticizing, as in, even though he doesn’t approve of politically incorrect language when it comes to “racist” people spouting off, he still doesn’t support “political correctness” when it comes to non-race issues, so the dividing line or where he draws his line, the line beyond which he will no longer be politically correct would be at banning words like gypped or niggardly or nipped or juice (lol) because they might be “offensive” to certain groups of people. He doesn’t want to go that far, but he still doesn’t want “racist” people to have free speech and free choice, just like himself and his own side.

        The Water Hoax

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJIMFWOua9c

  • 29-September-2018 at 3:23 am
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    I don’t know how it got posted twice. You might want to delete the bottom part which is an exact replica of the top just for neatness’ sake.

  • 30-September-2018 at 1:08 am
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    Another conspiratard suggestion:

    The purpose of false flag shooting events, is to increase gun control and take away our right to own firearms.

    • 02-October-2018 at 10:09 am
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      Interesting one. I can see good arguments for and against.

      • 02-October-2018 at 1:52 pm
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        I used to have more faith in military technology, so I figured that rifles and pistols werent really a threat to the military. The military could just ride around in armored vehicles shooting at people with machine guns or drop napalm on any sizeable threat, and so I figured the gun seizing agenda was just the elite “stirring the pot” or trolling gun owners.

        There has to be something in the news, the news cant have dead air or else people will tune out. Create an emotional dichotomy, and then egg on both sides relentlessly, everyone will tune in. Some will root for the blue team, and some will root for the red team, but EVERYONE will watch the game, and so everyone’s perspectives will be synched on some base level.

        We should sync our watches on mad hatters day. Of course, I no longer wear a watch, but I was thinking about getting one. Idk…I dont like wearing things.

  • 10-October-2018 at 10:07 pm
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    @JLB

    Our friend the German raw meat diet/water-hoax guy

    https://www.youtube.com/user/sv3rige

    is also a full-fledged 9-11 No-Planer!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYxLDQ1-Dw

    I didn’t know that. I thought his “woke” level was no higher than Alex-Jones and flat earth. He even made that whole video about it. You should interview him on your show about why drinking pig’s blood and eating 10 month old rotted liver (‘high meat”) is the ideal human diet. lol If he agrees, you’ll have a new source of cross-pollination and potential new members; he’s got 40,000 you tube subscribers on his channel he can turn on to your channel and you’ve got about 6700 on yours to do vice versa. You might want to give him a link to your Higher Side Chats appearance and your 600,000 views viral video, so he knows you’re not just some dipshit novice to the truther game.

    • 11-October-2018 at 1:12 am
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      Wow, his girlfriend just got mugged?

      It probably comes down to belief. If you whole heartedly believe that eating rotten meat is good for you, then it maybe it will be good for you.

      Is this guy an athlete? I scrolled through his videos looking for proof of his fitness levels, but I could only find videos of him eating meat like a weirdo or videos of him and others bad mouthing vegans. One cool thing about Durianrider was he publicly posted all of his Strava data.

      “Bananas will kill you! Sugar will kill you!” maybe, idk, from what Ive seen, the people that eat tons of animal products tend to be sick and fat. I used to eat ridiculous amounts of carbs when I was 100% high carb low fat vegan and I felt great, never had a problem with my blood sugar levels. Now that Im back to eating fat and meat, my blood sugar seems to spike and dip more after eating carbs, but like I said, that might be simply because of my beliefs.

      I have heard people claim that they eat 100% meat and animal products, and that they are ultra marathoners, but I just cant believe that. Is there any proof of people eating a meat diet while also maintaining a high level of fitness?

      Professional cyclists tend to be high carb, right? Maybe they are succombing to group think?

      • 14-October-2018 at 8:06 pm
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        I had raw ground beef at a Lebanese restaurant yesterday. Have you ever had raw beef liver? That’s what I ate today. Not the whole thing, but a around a quarter-pound part of it cut up into little pieces. You immediately start feeling much better and I’m already in pretty good physical shape. If you want to be a real paleo ubermensch, you have to bloody your face with some raw liver dude. Where have you been? You can’t “cook your meat” like Johnny Le Bono” and be “hip” and cutting edge anymore. To be hip in today’s world of fast-track kids, you have to be drinking pig’s blood with a chaser of finely mellowed, two-day old piss. lol Which is what Goatis aka sv3rige recommends on his channel. This is the logic that leads to elites drinking baby blood which sv3rige has also made videos about.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvwEJ2dFdU

        By the way, you should never drink your piss in the morning; only in the evening so that you “recycle” your proteins. Don’t know the exact process of how that works, but the guy who was saying it seemed to know what the fug he was talking about.

        The texture of raw liver is just like goo putty. In small portions, it’s actually easier to eat than cooked liver for me, which tends to amplify the strong taste, once you get over being “grossed out” which is mostly programmed anyway.

        Who is now “grossed out” to be eating sushi?

        Considering the endless numbers of sushi restaurants just here in the Los Angeles area, obviously, not as many people as in the 1980s when there were far less sushi places and movies like “The Breakfast Club” even had scenes of someone being grossed out over seeing someone else eat raw fish.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2SXVrbcgeg

      • 14-October-2018 at 8:27 pm
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        Professional athletes tend to be mostly high-protein-high-fat/low or zero carb. What they do is, they load up on carbs (sugars) on the day of the competition for extra energy. There are people that strongly disagree with this method and claim it is flat out retarded since muscles never burn “carbs” anyway, only carbs (sugars) converted into fat and “carb loading” just forces the body to go through an extra step of converting all those carbs to fat first when if you just ate enough fat, the energy would be instantly available, without the eating of the fat making you fat. The body doesn’t let you over-eat on a zero-carb diet, you lose all the cravings for junk food you have on the high-carb diet which is due to it putting you on a sugar-pumping, boom-and-bust cycle.

        http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/qqc36exsi4/muscles_never_use_carbs_for_fuel_owsley_stanley_kerr_lancaster.jpg

        http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/10yombrj3m/zero_carbs_carnivores_are_not_hungry_for_days_owsley_stanley.jpg

        Yes, Owsley Stanley aka “Kid Charlemagne” aka “the Bear” aka the narrative’s 1960s counterculture acid king, was the original pre-Atkins “keto-diet” advocate. So, the man whose LSD products facilitated hippiedom, most certainly did not share their tending-towards-the-vegetarian ideas of die-it. Unlike Jan Irvin, he was a badass until the day he ran his car into a tree in Australia (read: was whacked or hijacked to the dimension of continents beyond Antarctica.

      • 14-October-2018 at 9:11 pm
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        @ “Wow, his girlfriend just got mugged?”

        Yeah, her name is Luna, she’s a real sweet girl from Holland and visits him in Berlin and sometimes appears in his videos. Apparently, she was mugged and kicked in the face. She says she didn’t see who the attackers were before they got away but it’s almost certain they were a bunch of “migrant/refugee” types. How many German guys do you know that go around kicking women in the head? lol Not many. The problems with the migrant invasion are very real over there.

        He says he used to be a fanatic Runescape player for 4 years and barely left his room, basically did nothing but play that video game online for 4 straight years. He says that those 4 years of isolation from all of humanity are what made him question things and become a “truther.” The girlfriend is also is on the raw meat diet. She went with him when he got kicked out of the Vegan festival for eating raw veal heart with a “Go Vegan and Die” T-shirt on.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unnzbghJB28

        I sent him a few dollars and I’m sure he made a good chunk off his 40,000 subs to pay for some of the girl’s medical bills. He hasn’t had a “regular job” in 7 years and his only income is from his website. I don’t even know if his you tube channel is monetized. I don’t think it is, but it might be. 40,000 subs might get you some decent change if you are able to monetize it. But I think he just asks for donations to Patreon on his website in return for content just like our boy JLB over here.

        • 15-October-2018 at 1:53 am
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          Thanks for the reply, Neg! Very interesting.

          Ive been experimenting a little lately with cutting out carbs, and instead eating tons of meat and eggs. Ive been eating Braunschweiger, I havent had that since I was a kid. I love the stuff, my mom used to pack a sandwich of that everyday for my school lunch. Eggs too, I know a girl who works in an egg farm and she hooks me up with tons of eggs, so i have been popping those like cool hand luke.

          Ive noticed myself getting groggy after eating, but I pretend/imagine thats because my body is repairing itself with all the fat and protein. Ive also noticed my shit smells like death, but maybe my body needs to get used to it. If after some time my shit still smells like death, then Ill probably discontinue eating certain things. I interpret horrible body smells as a bad sign.

          Oh man, I can eat that Braunschweiger with a spoon, maybe thats better than on bread? Idk, it seems like the world is encouraging me to be a meat eater, not sure if that is a good thing or not, but im willing to try things out for a while.

          • 15-October-2018 at 1:57 am
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            Ive also noticed my piss making tons of bubbles, which I assume is because I am pissing out protein?

            https://youtu.be/VcMIeyjggbM

            This comedienne talks about drinking her own pee as a meth addict, and apparently it was extremely successful for getting high

            • 15-October-2018 at 3:44 am
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              You know, when we eat some thing, we are in a ~relationship~ with that thing.

              There is a tendency for my mind to think of it as a one sided relationship, to think that the predator is ~taking~ something from the prey, but thats an illusion, its something I am projecting, right?

              All I can say is that I am in a relationship with what I eat, and if something ate me, I would be in a relationship with it. Good, bad, right, wrong, winner, loser, unfair or lopsided are all projections on that relationship.

              Relationships go both ways, there isnt a black hole on one side. I mean, the pig benefits in a way when I eat pig liver, because when I eat it I sorta sing pig farms into existence, or I support the infrastructure that enables millions or billions of pigs to exist.

              How powerful is this relationship? Im not simply taking from the pig population, I am also supporting its existence. From a cosmic perspective, it is a mutual relationship.

              It seems like the pig liver that I am eating came from an individual animal that was murdered, that is, eating liver causes death, but that involves the past man. In the present moment, eating liver creates life. You know what I mean? By eating liver I am breathing life into the pig population as a whole.

              Relationships can have side benefits, or benefits that are invisible or unknowable. There is a lot going on behind the scenes we dont know about, lots of gears and wires inside the walls, and so when we are in a relationship with something, our support of that relationship, our support of that thing, might provide us with some sort of benefit that is not apparent or is behind the scenes.

              If nobody ate pigs, there wouldnt be so many pigs out there.

              Theres this egg farm over here and I swore they said they have millions of chickens. Chickens are always dying, but there is a constant population of so many million, apparently. There is a single body of chickens over there, millions of individuals, but a single body. By eating those eggs, Im sorta bonding or synching up with that body. Perhaps that relationship provides some sort of good vibes or cosmic support that goes both ways?

              • 15-October-2018 at 3:54 am
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                Ive been seeing so many ads for this JB Pritzer guy for Governor that it makes me think he is supoosed to play a bigger part.

                Anyway, in one of his ads it says something like “we must resist trump”, and whenever I hear that I think of something else I heard recently, “what you resist not only persists, but will grow in size.”

                The same sort of logic can be applied to eating, “what you eat(kill) not only persists, but will grow in size.”

              • 15-October-2018 at 6:42 am
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                Nate,
                I’ve often wondered, what would happen to the domesticated cow (as a species), if we quit raising them for food?
                Would they survive somehow, or die out?
                Clearly we wouldn’t feed them just to keep them alive, right?
                Is it better to never exist as a living being if the result of living is to be killed for food?
                What if you found out that you only existed to be a food/energy source for some other species, smarter and more powerful than you?
                Would you be glad to be alive anyway, or would you prefer to have never existed?

                Clearly there is a difference in being raised in a factory-farm environment vs. being allowed to roam, graze, experience the sun/rain/environment.
                It seems that the more perceived freedom a creature has to live life as close to as possible what their ‘natural’ life would be, the better.
                Of course, if you have been ‘designed’ to be a domesticated species, raised only for food, one wonders what a ‘natural’ existence would even be for such a creature.

              • 17-October-2018 at 8:36 am
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                Exactly. You and that cow are machines of creation collaborating to get to a higher place of spiritual discovery and health in this post-virtual reality. That’s why ancient peoples had rituals that respected and thanked the animals they were eating for providing them with the vehicle of growth: the nutrients contained in their “fruit,” i.e., their flesh. Once we dye green, we are also consumed. It’s not like we retain our flesh in the grave unless we are mummified.

                When you eat the raw meat of an animal that was treated well during its life, you are using the products of its chemical-compounds-making nutrients factory (its flesh) for your expanded health and spiritual growth. So the animal’s “spirit” subsumes itself in your spirit. You are in a symbiotic relationship leading to a synthesis within your body and mind. A relationship between animal and human that wouldn’t exist if that meat was from a sick and unhealthy animal, hence why people get food poisoning from non-organic meats. Since humans in the modern world have taken over most of their natural habitats, plenty of animals, including most of the “regular” dogs and cats and cows and pigs and chickens (all domesticated “man-made” and selectively bred animals to a significant extent) would be extinct today if not for humans farming them. They have no way of surviving without the human factor being introduced to transfer them into a new type of animal that didn’t exist before.

                Also, most fruits in nature are not even remotely as sugary and sweet as the fruits from trees domesticated and planted by man. Primal man ate only those kinds of non-sugar-rushing fruits that did not play havoc with his blood sugar level.

                There are foods that are, for whatever reason, harder to eat, but which digest very easily and are very beneficial, such as raw beef liver or pig’s blood (which tastes like tomato juice according to Gatis; I haven’t gone full Dracula on the blood drinking yet; these guys whacked a frog and ate it raw too in one of the videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nJ7on5pJNc ) and there are others that taste good (most grain and vegetable based foods of today and the standard factory-farmed mass-market meats) but are not nutritious and murder your digestive system. It’s not half-assed-to-non-existent “rocket-science,” the people who delay their gratification to the good-feelings and well-being and virility (ultimately all gained health displays its best results in the reward of making you more virile: you eat well, you move well, you produce a healthy body, you synergize and mate with other healthy bodies of the opposite sex and reproduce yourself to carry the “virtual spiral” you’ve started in this generation to the next one, knowing that “standard human lifespan” is nothing but Blade-Runner/Android bullshit and we are meant to live at least 150 years if comparison to “dog and animal ears” is any indication.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL-9_p0j4OA

                Looks like a real good time was had by all. Only 3 women went to that sausage party and one of them was Gatis’ girlfriend. The Danish girl with the red-streaked hair is a singer who lives in Southern California, for obvious reasons, and she has invited these guys to do the next meet-up in Cali, probably next summer if not sooner. If some of you guys and JLB can arrange to be in Los Angeles around the same time, we can hang with both groups at the same time, like a little hippie commune of truthers and raw-meat eaters exchanging ideas. I think all of them crashed at the same house there in Denmark. All they did is pay their plane ticket. Two people can easily crash in my apartment and I’m sure others have enough room to let one or two people stay for a week or two but to do a real meetup where everyone has plenty of space and is comfortable, we’ll have to find a person with a decent-sized house and nice big backyard, just like them. Their meetup planning is real good, since they have done it a whole bunch of times and its a lot easier in Europe than in the States with the shorter distances.

                P.S. When they put you out to pasture, they Pasteurize the foods you eat out of all its beneficial bacteria, out of its entire army of construction workers and therefore of the main benefit of eating raw meat and raw milk in the first place, the importation of more construction workers to repair and build your body with proteins and enzymes and fats. That’s how you are domesticated, just like the animals on pasture, put on the w-rung diet of exactly planned obsolescence (70 years instead of 150) for your masters to get the most benefit out of your energy and blood for themselves by putting you to work at a soul-sucking job while they relax and enjoy life and the least blowback in terms of more demands for yourself and future possible rebellion. So calling it “Pasteurization” is another one of those cute co-incidences which isn’t one at all. They called this motherfucker “Pasteur” because his methods put everyone’s ass out to pasture. lol Shit, I had to drive 7 miles and pay 10 bucks to get raw milk from Bristol Farms, yesterday. Why is that? Because of this Pasteur guy putting everyone out to pasture, that’s friggin’ why!

              • 19-October-2018 at 11:50 am
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                If some of you guys and JLB can arrange to be in Los Angeles around the same time, we can hang with both groups at the same time, like a little hippie commune of truthers and raw-meat eaters exchanging ideas.

                I am 100% up for this, fwiw.

              • 17-October-2018 at 9:14 pm
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                IMO, no living creature should be domesticated. It’s just a more socially palatable word for ‘prisoner’. ‘They would die anyway’ is a hollow justification for animal cruelty.

                “Oh but they’re treated well.”

                Yeah, if saying that makes people feel cosier, who am I to stop them. The bottom line is they’re animals bred into captivity and slaughtered.

                Nate, I absolutely love much of what you write on this site, but I can’t quite believe what I’m reading here. “By eating liver I am breathing life into the pig population as a whole.” Oh come on, now. I concede that we don’t understand enough about how new life comes about in a spiritual/energy sense, or whether/if it’s redistributed, or even if life energy is one entire shared entity at all times. But I’d hardly have thought it was some finite supply of life-forces waiting to burst on to the stage, lining up in the make-up room thinking, “Oh, I hope I get on next! It’s my big chance to be a condemned pig!”.

                Maybe that life would otherwise manifest itself in another way? Of course one can only speculate, but it’s worth pondering.

                Enjoy meat by all means if that’s how you feel things should be. I’ve been a vegan for a few years now and I’ll be honest, I would’ve returned to meat had my health suffered. But I feel amazing… I’ve never been in better shape. I’m strong, fit, I don’t suffer from bouts of depression anymore and can’t remember the last time I was ill. But I don’t want to take the moral high ground with any good folk on here, for I used to love being a meat eater too and it would be hypocritical of me.

                However, I find the argument that we could somehow be doing animals any favours by murdering them… hard to digest. (Sorry, couldn’t resist)
                Peace.

              • 19-October-2018 at 11:48 am
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                IMO, no living creature should be domesticated

                I look forward to seeing how this opinion is received by other commenters here at johnlebon.com

                For what it’s worth, I personally believe that keeping birds in cages is fundamentally wrong. Other creatures, such as dogs and cats and lizards and so forth, I’m more ambivalent about. I used to have a pet cat and he seemed very happy, he seemed to like me, and like spending time on the couch with me. And he could have left at any time if he had wanted to, but he always came home after a day of doing whatever it is that cats do. We put a bell on his collar so he couldn’t sneak up on the wildlife, lol. I wonder what he did do during the day. Probably just lay around, chilling out.

                Of course, the processed food we feed animals is junk, but most humans feed themselves and their own children junk, so how is that any different? Would we seek to ban parents from being allowed to raise their own children? Bear in mind that if everything goes to plan (and it will), we are only a few generations from children not being raised by parents, but that is another matter for another day.

                However, I find the argument that we could somehow be doing animals any favours by murdering them… hard to digest.

                That’s great, but what is your actual counter-argument? The cattle would not be kept if they were not profitable for the farmer. Are you denying this?

              • 18-October-2018 at 6:42 am
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                Samurai Blue,

                Just curious if your belief that no living creature should be domesticated, includes plants…or just animals.

                It seems apparent to me that many plants have built in defense systems. (domesticated plants have them bred out…like animals)
                One could infer that this means they’d “prefer” not to be eaten.

                Obviously, I can’t know what a plant feels, and I can’t know that it has a preference of life over death.
                However it seems to me that all living things use what means they have to avoid being killed/hurt.
                If you could somehow know that plants could suffer in a similar way that animals could, would that change your perspective on eating them?
                It appears to me, that life subsists on life.
                I admit, I could be wrong about that, but thats just how it appears to me.
                As to the type of diet that works best for people…i would assume that it is different for different people.
                I’ve experimented with different diets, and am still working on optimizing my food intake.
                I’ve known people who seem to thrive as vegans, and some as carnivores.
                I’ve seen the opposite, as well.

  • 15-October-2018 at 10:39 am
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    727: Everyone is a secret-slave/secretly-enslaved. •Note• This one really, and maybe better than any other, betrays it’s promoter’s devotion to Collectivism. In the past I would challenge this secret-slave claim by actually agreeing with its advocate that they are in fact a slave, but that I am actually not. This position is absolutely unacceptable to the zealots of the secret-slave meme. For them the slavery must be a universal condition so that their precious belief in its supposed trueness is never actually measured against their own personal agency. Like all good Collectivists they don’t like to proselytize their own unique individual condition of (supposed) slavery, they don’t like to say “I am a slave. I may be the only salve in the world and everyone else may be free but I am a slave.” Rather they use: us, we, everyone, all of us. Where else but the ACT necropolis can you go to ‘learn the truth’ and pretty much the first thing you’re told is that you’re actually a secret-slave and all this time you’ve never known it? It’s pretty gross.

    • 17-October-2018 at 8:58 am
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      It is true though that you will not become “unslaved” as Michael Tsarion calls it unless you realize you are a slave. What else do you call living under usury and legalized counterfeiting in an entirely rigged system? You would be much better off carrying 50 pound of extra weight shackled to your ankles than being shackled by those fake shekels. Sure you can still “succeed” and have “fun” on a certain level, but that’s the bait for the hook of accepting an entirely rigged society. And you don’t realize how low and relatively insignificant that propagandized, Pavlovized and commonly-consensused level of “fun” and “success” is unless you step out of the system for a long enough time to experience the superiority of the levels of well-being that can be created outside of it (if you do it right, most people do it wrong, that’s why they give up and go back to sucking-up to the matrix).

      I know for a fact that the “success” and “well-being” I was aiming at in my 20s was a bunch of nonense. I was being led by a carrot into a pit like most “happy” people. They’re only able to be “happy” as long as they stay away from cognitive dissonance (or are kept away from it deliberately by propaganda) and that state of being is no different than that of free-range cow or chicken put out to pasture that lives a “happy” and strictly controlled and limited life. When humans are treated like farm animals, that’s when the “collective” state of slavery or oppression, a state of unfairness and win-lose dialectic, can be said to ex-see-ist, seen on the exterior.

      The herd is a reality of “group thinking” individuals either forced or choosing to not think for themselves but submit to a higher authority. All societal problems start from blindly submitting to a so-called “higher” authority outside yourself. The fact is that the only higher authority can be found INSIDE yourself, if you are able to excavate it from the many years of emotion-triggering toxic sludge that covers it. Once you are able to listen to that voice again, the voice will tell you through symptoms in your body and spirit exactly what you are doing wrong and one these Pavlovian w-rung doings is not eating raw meat and raw milk because you’ve been fear-mongered over bacteria, etc.

      https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/4pjglzwuub/wilfred_trotter_instincts_of_the_herd_in_piss_and_worry_george_harrison_and_patti_boyd_at_the_hate_ashbury_1966.jpg

      https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/cmktsmq23x/brian_baritt_jean_agassiz.jpg

  • 17-October-2018 at 10:06 pm
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    Imagine if every human became vegan right now, what would happen to the millions of pigs and cows in the livestock industry?

    Would we feed and shelter each animal for the rest of its life? Would we allow them to keep breeding? Wouldnt it be a real holocaust?

    If vegans had their way, millions of pigs would never have existed.

    I was a vegan for 5 years. The healthiest I ever felt in my life was during my time as a vegan.

    I wish i could say I didnt have problems with depression, but Ive had problems with that my whole life, so i doubt it was caused by going vegan, but who knows?

    Im willing to test my beliefs.

    The worst part about being vegan, in my experience, is constantly eating alone. Eating is a communal experience, I never realized that until I was constantly eating my own thing. It didnt matter if I ate at the same table as someone else, the fact that I was always eating something different was disheartening.

    So many of my jobs used to buy the employees food, and everyone would pile into the breakroom to eat that food, but since I always ate something else, it was like I was sorta “out of the loop”.

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    Idk, maybe meat is not murder? Fuck,

    “The smallest sprout shows there is really no death,
    And if ever there was, it led forward life, and does
    not wait at the end to arrest it,
    And ceased the moment life appeared.

    All goes onward and outward—nothing collapses,
    And to die is different from what any one supposed,
    and luckier.

    I think I could turn and live with animals, they are
    so placid and self-contained,
    I stand and look at them sometimes an hour at a
    stretch.

    They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
    They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their
    sins,
    They do not make me sick discussing their duty to
    God,
    No one is dissatisfied—not one is demented with the
    mania of owning things,
    Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived
    thousands of years ago,
    Not one is respectable or industrious over the whole
    earth.”

    • 21-October-2018 at 5:52 am
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      @dante

      Yeah, you beat me to it. I saw that part of his site 2 days ago and was going to post his retarded “Sandy Hoax was Real because I already proved it is it impossible to stage mass shootings” video. lol Yet another guy who is not consistent in his thinking at all and is easily duped. But at least he’s come as far as flushing veganism down the toilet and the 9-11 planes.

      So, let me get this straight. Goatis aka Sw3ridge is a 9-11 No-Planer (probably because of Richard D. Hall, the hologram guy, whom he calls “an awesome guy” in another video) BUT totally believes Sandy Hook was real because he doesn’t think that fake movies of people getting shot, or not even that, fake reports of kids getting shot with no proof and no videos, can be passed off as “real” by a bought-&-paid-for completely complicit media apparatus? Ah, come on! How many “action movies” has this guy seen where if the title of it simply had the word “documentary” in it, he would have believed the special effects to be “real”? Probably 9 out of 10, just with the addition of the mere word “documentary” in the title alone. lol After all, why would people lie to us about real and manufactured “fear”? What possible benefit could it have? Why would people act like assholes on purpose?

      Well, maybe because acting like assholes and faking things and lying and hoaxing, when it’s as easily done as shooting a stupid little film that’s not even realistically done but follow a certain psychological brainwashing protocol, is to their benefit? lol Has he ever contemplated that possibility?

      Dipshit. lol He’s such a dipshit. But then, I was too a few years ago, and he’s a young guy, so I don’t judge him too harshly.

      @JLB — [quote] Negentropic wrote “If some of you guys and JLB can arrange to be in Los Angeles around the same time, we can hang with both groups at the same time, like a little hippie commune of truthers and raw-meat eaters exchanging ideas.”

      JLB wrote: I am 100% up for this, fwiw [/quote]

      He was talking about coming back in March to San Francisco and then driving down to L.A. We’ll have to go on his site and hang out a bit to see what they’re up to. They seem like a cool bunch of guys and most of them are, at the very lest, Alex Jones listeners and raw meat eaters, so we’re good.

      As far as you’re concerned or anybody else from this site, you people are already my friends, more or less, so you can show up in L.A. tomorrow, unannounced, give me a ring, and you’ll have a place to stay. I have an extra room and a loft, one extra bed in a closet that opens up plus a couch that opens up into a bed in the loft. Now, I’m a 50 year old modern neo-hippie and my place is pretty dirty and unkempt, in fact, I only shower once a week at most, so if somebody’s going to show up, I’d appreciate at least a couple of days’ advance warning, so I can get a maid in here. lol (me clean? area you nuts?) Otherwise, you’ll have a month’s worth of my fart smells and dust embedded in the carpet (I might vacuum the place once every two months if I feel up to it) to contribute “aromatic healing” to your stay. lol I live in a good neighborhood in the valley. If I don’t have a specific place to go at a specific time but only want to hit certain neighborhoods and hang out for while, I don’t even need my car. I can usually walk to a free metrobus a couple of blocks away that takes me all the way to Universal Studios and Hollywood and back.

      https://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/zczjzpcqb5/PsyOp_Gatekeeping_Castle.jpg

      • 22-October-2018 at 2:08 pm
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        Over the past couple weeks I have phased out carbs from my diet and I have mostly been eating meat and eggs.

        So far my digestion has been completely fucked up, terrible, and my abdomen has been extremely bloated everyday. Im going to assume that these problems will be temporary, and so Im going to stick with this meat diet for at least a couple months more and see if things straighten out.

        Ive been trying to watch videos by meat eaters but it gets on my nerves how much they all seem to HATE on vegans. They are constantly bashing vegans, why? Lol, its like listening to an evangelist that spends his time bashing jews and muslims instead of talking about christ.

        I wonder how many of these vegan bashers have actually tried eating a vegan diet for any amount of time?

        If a person bashes veganism, and that person has no solid personal experience with veganism, then that makes me think the person is a dipshit, or a parrot.

        And for the life of me I just cant believe all these people claiming “I almost died by going vegan”. I listened to a few testimonials, but idk

        Maybe a person will be healthy if they whole heartedly believe that what they are eating is healthy and how they are behaving is healthy? Sort of like the placebo/nocebo effect.

        So a dude might be 100% healthy, except the dude might have the belief in his head that men need to exercise each day, and since the dude doesnt work out each day, his mind will reduce his health to less than 100% so that “reality” is congruent with his beliefs

      • 25-October-2018 at 10:24 am
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        This is a lovely offer, and one I think I am likely to take you up on at some point in 2019.

        Lately I have been spending more time seriously investigating the options ahead of me, with regards to ‘going full time’ as a ‘blogger’ and becoming a true ‘digital nomad’. Thailand appeals to me because it is the Mecca for digital nomads, a modern-day San Francisco for people leaving behind the 9-5 and taking advantage of the opportunities provided by this thing we call technology. Thailand is also incredibly cheap: for the amount I currently pay for a single room in a sharehouse in Brisbane, I could have my very own decent-quality apartment in Chiang Mai.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mei_jcXotsQ

        To put that in perspective, I currently pay AUD $600/month for my room in a sharehouse. That is about USD $420/month. There are livable one-bedroom apartments for HALF of that in Chiang Mai, and pretty decent (luxury by my standards) apartments just minutes away from the town centre for the same price I am paying to live in a room on the outskirts of Brisbane. Insane.

        However, the Visa situation in Thailand seems like a bit of a pain in the backside. Basically a lot of stuffing around, only two months there at a time, then you have to leave the country and return, that kind of thing. Whereas I have recently learned that Mexico lets Australians come and stay for six months, basically no questions asked. And a lot of places in Mexico are almost as cheap as Thailand. Now imagine if I were to base myself in Mexico, a relatively short flight away from California. Australians are given 90 days in the US without even having to apply for a real visa (all done electronically), so I could basically do an entire year in North America with less hassle than three months in Thailand.

        Now here is what I am thinking: suppose I make my way to the West Coast of the US, spend a few months bumming around at various places e.g. Negentropic’s loft, maybe one or two other Members on the West Coast who want to give me a place to stay for a bit, then head down to Mexico for six months to focus on producing more World’s Leading Skeptic content (now free to work on this seven days per week, every week) then after six months fly back to the US for another three months, this time to the Mid-West to see my buddies like Nate and fuhng. Then I could make my way from Chicago to New York, following the same path as the Wizard of Oz musical (1902), finally ending at the Sync Mecca of New York and the Millenium Hilton.

        At this point, when I finally touch the Millenium Hilton monolith with my own hand, I suspect the game will end, it will all be over. Mission complete. The illusion of time will cease, the wireframe mesh will become obvious to all conscious entities, and the next level will commence (or things will loop back to the start). Either way, by that time I would be 32 years old, and I think I would be able to say that I lived a life worth living, did some cool stuff, it was ‘worth it’.

        And here is the best part: there is absolutely nothing stopping me. There is nothing stopping any of us. There never was.

        • 29-October-2018 at 12:28 am
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          A spare room awaits you in Tokyo, too. Perhaps en route to Chiang Mai? 🙂 JLB World Tour…

          • 31-October-2018 at 11:12 am
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            I hope you guys are serious with these offers, because I genuinely intend to take you all up on them. With every passing day I find myself closer to ‘rage-quitting’ Brisbane and spontaneously purchasing a ticket out of this place. I have been here too long.

        • 04-November-2018 at 7:24 am
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          @ JLB

          We’re on in a few months if you can get to L.A. around the same time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCcBwVkfPu8 I’m game for even doing the whole trip with them. He’s looking for people in Northern California to drive him around. Since he’s a legitimate independent documentary film-maker of anti-NWO-agenda “reality” films, his main problem is getting rides from subscribers in cars so he can film conversations for his channel and not have to rent a car to drive himself or take some boring bus. Chad might be able to help them out in Northern Cali but I don’t know if Chad is up for it or even a raw meat eater.

          I’m on Goatis’ (Sw3rige on you tube) Patreon and left links for him to your you tube, your higher side chats interview plus my threads and audios, etc. He doesn’t seem to know who you are at all but he’s cool about doing “crossover hangouts” in L.A. as long as you Aussie lightweights eat raw internal organs and up to 3 year old rotten “high meat” like men and don’t pussy out. lol Just kidding. You’re not required to eat the rotten meat to get high but if you do, you’ll be considered “way cooler” than the rest of the dipshits, for sure.

          I think you should live in Australia and always be a loyal Australian, since the Australian culture, although not that old, is a wonderfully upbeat extension of English culture and you’re one of the most purely Australian entities I’ve ever met. You should stay in your White European built homeland and keep it that way as much as possible just by your very presence. Quality will always find creative ways to trump quantity. Then only travel for about a month or two at a time at most, staying only a week or two at each contact’s pad, always respecting their need for privacy and solitude, so you don’t wear out your welcome at each online friend’s place as fast as you do at most websites, lol.

          Then those same friends might come visit you over in OZ a few months later. You don’t have to negotiate with your roommates to have friends stay with you or have your own place to show them around. They can all stay at Rollo’s Motel lodge like Velocet and clean out his fridge and then drive or fly to Brisbane. lol A regular motel room is cheap enough anyway if shared by 4 or 5 people who don’t mind sleeping on the floor for spine strength anyway.

          As far as L.A. is concerned, it’s a nightmare metropolis full of traffic and neurotic/borderline-psychotic jerks. The only place more scummy in the United States is probably NYC, which is just complete dogshit, the epitome of a so-called “concrete jungle” full of arrogant idiots. Why would you want to live here unless you have family here or plan to work directly for the Jews in the entertainment industry? My family being here is the only reason I’m here, not because I “like” anything about it aside form the constant sunshine and endless crop of beautiful girls. Here, because of the insane amount of traffic, unless you start your activities before 6 AM or after 7 PM, you will hardly get anything done. You’ll be stuck in traffic all day and that aggravation will be your “fun” for the day. It’s too much of an inconvenience to turn into an adventure through “rightly considering” it as the Chesterton saying goes (“An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered.”).

          There will be nothing “stopping” you per se from going on travels. But your balls might be felt-up inside your underwear by hairy man hands at each TSA checkpoint. And if you try to pack a faggy 2 inch pocket swiss army knife, you’ll see how much hassle you get at the airport. Whereas traveling in China, no one gets checked for jack shit, it’s the same as in the 1960s. This is John’s idea of an “awesome” time to be alive, to have your manhood humiliated every 5 minutes by complete strangers, at random, not be able to buy proper human food such as raw milk anywhere except at remote farms, etc. Slavery is Freedom.

          • 04-November-2018 at 8:16 pm
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            Regarding sv3rige, I do not know much about this character. The first I heard of him was when you linked to a video in which he spoke of his girlfriend apparently being attacked or something. I hope you do indeed meet up with him, get some footage, maybe even go on camera. I would definitely follow the trip in real time and watch anything you release. Thanks for sharing links to my work with him; if he makes contact, I’ll keep you posted.

            Regarding Australia, I like your idealism and optimism about the future of this place. If only you knew how bad things really are. They are flying in black and Asians at an incredible rate. The whites have largely stopped breeding with each other, except by accident, and we all know how those sorts of households tend to end up (i.e. utter disaster). I’m 30 and most of the guys I know are either childless, or having children with Asians, or having children by accident. It is a rare exception when two white people with their shit together plan for a child and bring him/her into the world without IVF.

            As far as a white Australia is concerned, it is already game over man, game over. You can quote me on that.

            lol @ the Rollo Motel. Apparently Velocet made it out of there in one piece. Apparently. I’m still looking forward to a review piece from him on that.

            Yes, this is an awesome time to be alive. For me, anyway. Oh noes, I have to go through customs nonsense whenever I travel. Big deal. Is that really cause for complaint? When did it become cool to be so whiny? Once upon a time, I am led to believe, men got on with the business of getting things done, wasting no time complaining about things they couldn’t change. You get what I mean?

            • 18-November-2018 at 4:34 pm
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              @JLB wrote [quote] Regarding sv3rige, I do not know much about this character. The first I heard of him was when you linked to a video in which he spoke of his girlfriend apparently being attacked or something. I hope you do indeed meet up with him, get some footage, maybe even go on camera. I would definitely follow the trip in real time and watch anything you release. Thanks for sharing links to my work with him; if he makes contact, I’ll keep you posted.[/quote]

              We’re already on, dude. No more contact needs to be made. The internet has brokered this deal in full barter terms between friends who’ve never even seen each other’s faces (well, I’ve seen your face, you’ve never seen mine, you’ve only heard my voice and absorbed my aura, however bizarre it might be, lol). We’re just piggy-backing our “trip” and “hangout” with theirs, crossing it over, not doing every last thing with them. But if they went bowling and we went bowling with them just for the fun of it, would that be such a bad thing? Nope. And neither would throwing frisbees in the park with them, hiking with them or going to the beach with them, camping with them, etc. It’s not the end of the world for a “9-11 planes were holograms” guy to hang out with a “all of history is a hoax and all wars are a hoax” guy. lol You don’t even have to talk about all that stuff unless they ask you about it. Just hang out and chill and enjoy the festivities. These are far more “our kinds of people” than any normies, that’s for sure.

              All Gatis has to do is announce the date and his itenerary, which will probably be early January or February. You will come down to L.A. a week or two before with Velocet or whoever you want to bring with you from your site members and stay at my place. Two people can be very comfortable here. Actually another person can sleep on the floor or couch in the living room, if they want to rough it a bit or we can throw a futon on the floor for them. Also, what I said about limiting your stays with site members to 2 weeks at a time was just a general rule to follow for politeness. As far as my own place is concerned, you can stay for 2 months at a time. After that, even if your were the coolest guy in the world, I’d miss my privacy and solitude and would want it back, so I can think only my own thoughts again and act only the way I want to act, within the tiny kingdom called “my home.”

              I’ll feed you raw rib eye steaks and raw butter to break down your normie-diet cooked-brain conditioning. Then you’ll be ready for those real neanderthals when they get here. We go hangout in cool places and give voice to our conspiracy-wise perspectives, however crazy regular people might think we are . You’ll shoot film and talk at the same time, everywhere we go, using a selfie-stick to keep your own mug in the shot (or have someone else shoot video when you want to be on film) which you can later edit for your website or you tube channel, kind of like a daily vlog instead of a blog. Just like Gatis does on his channel. Cinema Verite, not giving too much of a fuck or trying to “control” things, just letting events and accidents naturally lead to a good time.

              As Chesterton said, adventures are nothing more than rightly considered inconveniences. We are here ONLY to “ritely” consider inconveniences and have an adventure instead of a nuisance. For example, have you heard the saying: “A romance with no finance is a damn nuisance”? Well, a rightly considered romance with no finance can be an adventure; ever heard of hippies? There are still plenty of them around, contrary to popular belief. There are a thousand-and-one “fun” things to do in this world that do not require much “money,” only some “consideration” and energy.

              Then when Gatis shows up, we go hang out with them, do podcasts with them or whoever from their group is more up our alley of conspiracy nuttery, etc., and follow their itinerary and act in his movie while his people also act in yours. You’re not agreeing with him by hanging out with him anymore than I am. You’re just eating raw meat and feeling like a million bucks.

              Their hangouts and our hangouts will “cross-over” because we’ll all be in the same cities at the same time. We’ll follow their caravan with the same GPS co-ordinates but will not necessary do “everything with them,” especially if one of your site members happens to be in one of these cities and is hosting us. The degree that our activites cross-over will depend on how many things we have in common that we all want to do (like going to the Redwood forest or seeing the Grand Canyon, going to Bakersfield to see where Merle Haggard was born and stuff like that which Gatis’s group want to do).

              Anyway, I’ll get on Skype and Discord and to talk to you about it when the announcements get made. It’ll be fun, you’ll hang out with me for a couple of months, then go to the east coast and meet other members and stay with them or go to South America after having a consultation for 50 bucks with the Primal Edge guy who’ll save you a ton of trouble.

              Doing it this way is a great opportunity for having fun rather than the usual stuff that goes on at conspiracy-theorist meetups. It gives us a layer of nutty half-woke humanity between our level of woke and normies, to cushion the depressing feeling that all of society has become zombies in the headlights, through some humor: the way they look at normies can be humorous, the way we look at normies also, the way normies look at both our groups, the way different people in our groups relate to each other or not, etc.

              There will be endless dynamics like that to explore if you only figure out how to “rightly consider” them out of the inconvenient zone into the adventurous. If we have 5 or 6 of our people out in California and they have 15 of theirs and we all drive to Las Vegas or Arizona and refuse to eat any restaurant garbage and eat only raw meat, now THAT will be a party you will never forget. Do you have any idea how much energy eating a raw steak with raw butter gives you? And with that energy comes a supreme calmness that envelopes it. It’s a natural state of being very high, similar to a very strong Sativa-dominant edible Cannabis high.

              By the way, one of the most beautiful places to live for cheap is Kiev Ukraine. Uber drivers cost only 2 to 4 Euros there! In Berlin they cost 30 to 50 euros! Check out what a beautiful city it is:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pzMrzJCaPc

              I’m thinking of moving there from this shithole of L.A. (lol). Maybe we can all get super-hardcore and move there, all 70 of the site members? That will be something, huh? Like a miracle in the making. Also, on the plus side, most of these people seem to already know pretty good English whereas most South Americans don’t.

              • 19-November-2018 at 12:09 am
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                Hey Neg,

                How do you get raw butter?
                I made some once… getting a hold of some raw milk and skimming the cream, and blending it.
                Do you do similar, or do you have a farm/source that you get it from?

              • 20-November-2018 at 2:11 am
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                Neg,

                I remember now, that in California, the laws regarding raw Dairy are a bit more lenient.
                Here in Washington, raw milk is legal to sell in stores, but it is only rarely available in some of the better coops or local food sourced grocers. For some reason, raw goat seems to be easier to get than raw cow. I’ve read that goat is actually healthier for us, or at least easier to digest. It is an aquired taste, though.
                Raw butter cannot be sold here.

                This conversation brings to mind a news story and video that I remember seeing several years back, about Feds sending in swat teams to raid health food stores that were selling raw dairy in California. Do you have any knowledge or recollection of these “raw dairy raids”?

            • 19-November-2018 at 9:12 am
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              @JLB

              It’s happening a bit faster than I thought it would. He’s going to go up to SF and then Sacramento on the 10th of December to stay there, for 20 days. Then he is going to embark on the rest of his trek:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnnsRvrXh4A

              Maybe he has some relatives up in Sacramento there, who knows. You should ideally come here around December 10th so we can join them when they go to the Redwood forest. The rest of the trip to Utah and Arizona and Vegas, should we choose to be in the same towns at the same time, we’ll probably have to stay at hotels and motels whereas he has his subscribers lined up in every town for free accommodations. lol Smart guy. Don’t let his laidback style fool you. Then, if we decide to secede from their party in certain cities and do our own thing, once they come back down to L.A. at the end of the trip in February or whatever, we’ll hook up with them again. You’re looking at an adventure in the making. Are you going to let a few silly “inconveniences” stop you?

              You should line up any subscribers you have in those cities or along the path who can give you and, by extension, your “gang” (us) free accommodations for a day or two or maybe a week in every city. Then we’ll be gravy. I have no problem sleeping on the floor anywhere, in fact, I tend to prefer it for the spine. I only know Chad626 is up in Northern California, but he hasn’t been heard from in a while. You should put out a shout-out to all your subs both through a video and e-mails who might live in the area that you are looking to tour the U.S. west coast and see if they can give you a place to stay.

              • 19-November-2018 at 9:51 am
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                @bmseattle

                It’s legal in California as long as you can pay out of your ass. lol I pay an exorbitant price (15 dollars for 16 ounces or 1 pound; whereas grass-fed, pasteurized and therefore mostly destroyed Kerrygold Irish butter is usually only about 7 dollars a pound). There is usually only one or two brands of raw dairy and its derivatives like Kefir and cream and cheddar and you have to go to specific stores like Sprouts or Bristol Farms to get it. Here is the specific (and usually only) brand that I tend to get most of the time and their products:

                https://www.organicpastures.com/product/

            • 13-February-2019 at 8:41 am
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              @JLB wrote: [quote]Regarding sv3rige, I do not know much about this character. The first I heard of him was when you linked to a video in which he spoke of his girlfriend apparently being attacked or something. I hope you do indeed meet up with him, get some footage, maybe even go on camera. I would definitely follow the trip in real time and watch anything you release. Thanks for sharing links to my work with him; if he makes contact, I’ll keep you posted. [/quote]

              Sorry to report that you were right about this Sv3rige guy John and I was wrong. He’s either a narcissistic user of people or he’s a shill or charlatan of some kind. After acting very nice and friendly in the initial skype call I had with him and his girlfriend Luna, where he told me that he needed a place to stay because his other contact had been evicted (? probably not true; they probably just didn’t want to deal with a rude and disrespectful, “entitled” type person) he stopped communicating and started acting snarky and arrogant with only curt replies of at most 5 to 10 words to all e-mails, exactly as the blonde girl in the following video claims (the first part is her ex-vegan story, the Sv3rige revelations start from the 30 minute mark onwards):

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcifNVRcCKo

              She’s the ex-vegan that paid her own plane ticket from Colorado to Phoenix to meet his “carnivore guru” ass, where some other subscriber who had promised him a place to stay had supposedly “abandoned” him, prompting this online temper tantrum:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdylfFbQtm0

              She discovered a completely different person to what he appears like in his videos.

              Another guy drove 6 hours to meet him and 6 hours back from San Diego, only to find out the dude was allergic to cats. So the subscriber had to pay for his Motel room bill for the night because he refuses to spend any of his own money and expects to be taken care of. Even 28 dollars for an Air Bed and Breakfast in Phoenix when he got stranded because he was treating a subscriber rudely was too much money. lol

              The last straw for me was when he also screwed over the Swedish kid Ludwig that was in his Kiev and Holland videos. After Ludwig had bought a plane ticket to go to the U.S. with him, he decided not to take him because they had a stupid disagreement about the value of saunas! lol This, after Ludwig had already sent him his 18 year old (still virgin) blood to drink (lol, Sv3rige the friggin’ vampire actually drank it on film):

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RV-ZxD3UYA

              There was even a direct showdown, Frank Tufano vs. Sv3rige and Milkjar, hosted by Primal Edge Health, where all the two latter clowns could do was use ad-hominems.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-mrg7kULiA

              So yeah, after I heard about all this, and saw that he was treating me, more or less in the same way, I decided to cut my losses short in wasted time and not even bother meeting him.

              I certainly wasn’t the only one he was jerking around. Since these videos exposed him as someone who basically uses his subscribers like a mooch and only has contempt for them, he has lost 30 Patreon supporters and over 450 dollars a year.

              Not very smart on his part. Now he’ll have to cultivate 30 or more new suckers to reach the same level he was 2 months ago and that will take a lot of even-tempered maneuvering and courtesy on his part, which he doesn’t in him to give.

              P.S. The carnivore diet I still follow, of course, since it makes a night-and-day difference for your well-being, just not Sv3rige and his vampire cult anymore. Tufano and Primal Edge Health have much better content but Gatis was the one that finally got me to switch to fully raw animal foods, for which I was loyal to him, a loyalty which is almost never reciprocated, as you can see from all the videos from many ex-subs and ex-friends.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NSLUEu-7sw

              https://imgoat.com/uploads/84b6fbb107/195309.jpg

              https://imgoat.com/uploads/84b6fbb107/195329.jpg

              https://imgoat.com/uploads/336dcbab05/194585.png

              • 15-February-2019 at 6:45 am
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                Correction: not 450 a year but 450 dollars a month at 30 people gone at 15 dollars per person, so that would make $5400 dollars a year down the drain for mister dumbass touring carnivore guru. lol All he had to do to keep all that money (and make more through networking and good word of mouth) was to be courteous and communicative and grateful to his subscribers.

              • 15-February-2019 at 11:43 am
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                Thank you for taking the time to post this update, Neg. I won’t say too much here other than, as soon as I saw that sv3rige had made a video about his girlfriend being ‘attacked’ (and asking for money), my spidey senses went off. Generally speaking, humans are incredibly stupid creatures, and they can be easily persuaded into handing over money out of sympathy for people who have ‘suffered’. There is a legion of youtube mini-celebrities who are milking this for all it is worth, every single day. Say that you have been ‘censored’ or that your girlfriend has been ‘attacked’ and watch the money roll in.

                Truly, the masses are stupid. To this day I have people telling me about the ‘censorship’ of youtube. ‘Censorship’ which they have heard about from people on… youtube. ‘Censorship’ they have heard about from people who ask for paypal donations from their fans on… youtube. It is amazing. Most people are hopelessly gullible. Whether or not sv3rige is just one more wolf taking advantage of the sheep, I obviously do not know for certain. But based on what I have seen and read, the inference is obvious.

                And who could blame him? Who could blame anybody for taking advantage of the sheep? They are there for the shearing. If one didn’t know better, one might begin to think that perhaps the lemming masses were put here specifically to be sheared. One might begin to think that perhaps the point of this game that we call ‘life’ is to acquire as much fleece as possible, and the lemming masses are the NPC entities whose sole reason for existence is to provide fleece-resources for those with eyes to see.

                If one didn’t know better, of course.

                Personally I have no interest in fleecing the masses, but I have over time lost interest in condemning or judging those who engage in the fleecing. The fact of the matter is that the sheep LOVE being sheered! Yes, they do. They line up to give one charlatan money for his ‘censorship problems’ (lol) and then line up to give the next charlatan money for his ‘let’s write a contract to bring down the evil elites’ project (trololol). On and on it goes. And it will continue to be this way. We live in a world of sheep. It is what it is.

                The question I want to find an answer to is this: can sheep reform themselves into non-sheep? Or are sheeple doomed to a life of forever being fleeced? I am not as easy to fleece as I once was, but then again, I have been able to see through the charlatans for a long time. My own improvements over the past few years have been more to do with reducing naivety and idealism, rather than suddenly ‘waking up’ to the fleecings. If somebody is truly DUMB ENOUGH today to give money to some of these youtube charlatans, will they ever not be a walking, talking farm animal, waiting to be fleeced? This I do not yet know.

  • 27-October-2018 at 10:28 am
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    Sounds like a great plan , do it…… you will be wiser and more worldly for the experience …you may even meet a humbug or two 😉

  • 19-November-2018 at 3:07 am
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    I have been experimenting and trying to do a “carnivore” diet for about two months, but unfortunately Im going to have to put this experiment on hold.

    A quick history of my diet:

    2 years: breast milk
    27 years: standard American diet
    5 years: low fat/high carb vegan
    ~6 months: standard american diet
    ~2 months: first attempt at “carnivore” diet

    I switched to a vegan diet about 6 years ago after my girlfriend challenged me to do it. After two weeks of eating vegan I felt amazing, all the aches and pains I had been taking for granted started to disappear, and so I stuck with the vegan thing for 5 years.

    I think it was about a month or two later that I quit smoking after having smoked half a pack a day for 10 years. I swear, I tried to quit several times before that, but I had always failed. Once I was eating vegan, quitting was almost effortless, i thought it was incredible.

    In my mind, I always thought it was “wrong” to eat animals because I knew people could survive without meat. In spite of this belief, I had always eaten animal products. When I went vegan it was not because of my morals, it was because it made me feel good physically. i was never an “ethical vegan”, however I wonder if going vegan cleared up some dissonance I had in my head?

    I do have to admit, while I was a vegan i did feel like I was doing “good” by not “unnecessarily” killing living things. I would occasionally cheer myself up by thinking that I was doing “good”.

    After five years of eating vegan I was convinced it was the “right” way to eat. But how was I so sure? Maybe it was mind over matter? Was my vegan diet what made me feel healthy, or was it my belief in a vegan diet that made me feel healthy? I decided I needed to challenge my own beliefs about diet before I spend the rest of my life eating vegan.

    Furthermore, after five years of eating vegan I started to look at the big picture. During those five years my personal life sorta disintegrated into chaos. So I started to wonder if eating a vegan diet may have caused or fueled the disorder and madness in my life.

    So early this year I started adding fish into my diet. I wanted to see if adding “protein” to my diet would improve things.

    The pescatarian(sp) experiment did not go as planned, I sorta fell off the rails. I happened to be switching jobs at about the same time and I think the stress from that may have complicated things.

    Anyway, after I started eating fish I became completely disinterested in everything else that was on my plate. I would have three or four helpings of fish and then id barely touch everything else.

    Within a couple weeks I started to lose control over my eating and I ended up eating all sorts of things. Red meat, dairy, fast food. Very soon after that I started smoking again. My energy levels dropped like crazy and I stopped working out.

    So yeah, I totally fell off the rails. I then spent about 6 months eating a standard American diet, smoking, and not working out.

    Then about two months ago I decided I should try doing a carnivore/meat diet. I didnt research it very much, I just knew Jordan Peterson and few other smart dudes (eg Neg) seemed to excel on it, so I thought it was worth a try.

    So I switched to a diet of bacon, liver sausage, steaks, hamburger, eggs and fish while trying to abstain from carbohydrates.

    I didnt stick to the meat diet 100%, so I really cannot draw any conclusions. For example, I would stick to the diet for a couple days at a time, but then Id end up eating some carbs. I also fell off a bit while I was road tripping a few weeks ago. Instead of 100% meat, i probably ate 90% meat and 10% carbs and fruit and dairy.

    (question: Are eggs part of the carnivore diet? What about dairy? I try to avoid dairy because it seems like Im lactose intolerant.)

    When i switched to eating only meat my digestion was f’d up. I figured it was going to straighten out over time as my my body adjusted to the new diet. Its almost two months later and things arent much better, but I cant say for sure it is because of the meat because like I said, I didnt stick to the diet 100% of the time, so maybe I wasnt allowing myself to get fully adjusted to the diet. I cant say for sure.

    I gained about 15 pounds over the past two months. My belly has been bloated the entire time, and that is part of the reason Im calling off the experiment.

    Two weeks ago I was in a car accident and I broke two of my ribs. I have been hurting pretty bad from that, and Im hoping that if I go back to a more vegan diet that I will reduce some of the bloating and that will help reduce some of my chest amd back pain from the broken ribs.

    When I first switched from carbs to meat, my energy levels were extremely low for a few days, but after that I seemed to get most of my energy back. I assume I would have had a lot more energy if I had stuck to the diet 100%, but I cant say for sure.

    I also noticed that when I did fall off and consume carbs that I would get stomach cramps. Like if I woke up and drank something sweet, it felt like I was getting stabbed in the stomach.

    When I was a vegan I got the same kind of stomach pains if I ate a ton of fruit (eg half a watermelon), something vegans refer to as “melon belly”.

    I also wonder if the portions I was eating were too big? I love eating meat to the point that I am a fiend.

    In conclusion, I felt kinda crappy on a meat diet, but maybe that is because I didnt stick to it 100% of the time. Im putting this experiment on hold, but I plan to retry it once I am healed from this injury.

    Perhaps next time I should try fasting before I make the switch?

    “Gluttony – that’s my vice & curse. I want too much of everything. Books… Love… Music… Color & Form… Philosophy… Travel & Adventure… the result of this bestial lust is the indiscriminate and promiscuous splaying of my energies – wanting all, I accomplish nothing; desiring everything, I satisfy nothing and am satisfied by nothing.”

    -edward abbey

  • 19-November-2018 at 12:56 pm
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    @Nate

    Your system is screwed up. You have to discipline it back to order by doing a set number of things EXACTLY the same way every day. This way you build new constructive habits to replace old and destructive ones. Usually, a habit is gained because it’s useful at some point in a person’s life and when no improvements are built upon it, slowly degenerates and becomes useless and unnecessary, but the habit remains. Most people don’t get anything out of smoking cigarettes except feeding the anxieties of the habit which wouldn’t exist if the habit was replaced by a better one.

    Did you go fully raw or did you cook any of the meats? I’ve never had bloating if I eat raw meat and raw eggs and raw liver. Only with cooked meat. I don’t even have bloating in the morning when I’m ready to take a dump. If it’s raw and organic, it mostly digests before even getting to your stomach. It doesn’t go sit in your stomach and wait to be digested by other “probiotics” you take through fermented plants because the natural digestive enzymes or probiotics in meat are not destroyed by heat. Same with raw milk. If you drink only raw, the enzymes to digest it are there. Only when it’s not raw does “lactose intolerance” enter into it.

    Did you get all organic “grass-fed” stuff? It’s not a cheap diet for a reason. They don’t want you eating the grass-fed stuff. The most nutritious meats for the money are organ meats. You can usually get raw beef or veal liver, grass-fed and grass-finished, for around 8 to 10 bucks a pound.

    @ You woke up and drank something sweet? I thought you were doing low to no carb. A real carnivore diet does not include any fruits vegetables or “sweets.”

    I’ve only been fully raw only 2 months. If you want to try it my way:

    1) I don’t eat any fruit except fermented probiotic coconut and mixed in fermented form in fermented tea or kompucha.

    2) I don’t eat any vegetables

    3) I don’t eat any seeds or nuts except every once in a while almond butter and some shelled non-fibrous hemp seed from Trader Joe’s every other day. I don’t eat the HempUSA stuff anymore because it doesn’t taste good and you don’t really need it if you’re eating meats

    4) I chew and eat all the fats attached to the cuts of meets. The fats are where the most nutrition is stored. When you cook it, the fats get hardened and become harder to chew and digest. Much harder. And contrary to popular belief, raw meat is softest to chew. Why people falsely assume that cooking is akin to “tenderizing” the meat is a butt-retarded superstition I’ve never been able to figure out.

    4) I eat 24 cage-free organic raw eggs on days when I go hiking, they fill you up less than 2 cooked ones and your stomach is never bloated. On regular days and on days when I do mainly only uphill sprints, I eat only 12

    5) I drink only raw milk and raw kefir milk. Raw kefir is fermented raw milk, so it has even more probiotics, it’s “super probiotic”

    6) I eat some kind of raw organ meats such as liver or kidney or heart or brain or gizzards every day (never had gizzards or inverted pig’s asshole http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/SharkinRN/porkrectums.jpg and never will, lol, but Buffalo testicles with crusty scrotum “probiotics” are fine by me. lol

    7) I always add crystal salt with the minerals attached to my drinking spring water. Without the electrolytes which give it a positive charge, water is not retained in the cells and actually dehydrates you and drains nutrients from your body.

    8) I drink no alcohol whatsoever

    9) I only juice or vaporize Cannabis and/or take it in edible form, I never smoke it

    10) I don’t eat any sugar and despise the spiritual and physical murderer euphemistically labeled “bread” especially thick Pizza crust, lol Yuck. I think, having had at least a thousand entire pizzas in one lifetime is enough for me. To even think that at one time I used to crave this stomach-bloating, nutrition-less, zits-feeding, non-food called pizza at least once a week makes me feel nauseous.

    • 20-November-2018 at 4:07 am
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      Thanks for the reply Neg,

      What you said about raw food seems to make sense.

      Maybe I did better while eating vegan because a larger percentage of my food was raw?

      I just got home and ate a raw egg for the first time. Lol, I feel like a weasel or like a snake.

      Sigh, but these arent cage free eggs.

      A lot of those things you listed sound expensive, Im not sure I can get even get some of that stuff around here.

      Do you eat fish?

      I remember a similar raw argument from when I was vegan. Raw vegans would say that heating up something like broccoli would destroy all the important enzymes in the broccoli.

      But does it all have to be raw? Before I cook something I could cut off a raw piece and set it aside. Then I could eat the raw piece along with the cooked portion.

      The raw piece would still contain the enzymes I needed. The enzymes in the small raw piece would still break down the raw piece itself, but then the enzymes would go on to break down the cooked pieces(possibly)

      Enzymes are a catalyst, the rate of chemical reactions(digestion) does not increase if you throw in more catalyst.

      Maybe cooking foods makes the foods more resistant to the digestive enzymes in addition to destroying the enzymes themselves. I mean, maybe cooked eggs cannot be broken down easily regardless of how much enzyme there is

      I love scrambled eggs with butter, I was hoping I could just drink one egg and cook the rest.

      Regardless, at this time Im not sure I can afford to do this diet the right way with all the grass fed unpasteurized stuff.

      What would happen if I tried to do this diet with regular quality meat and eggs?

      • 21-November-2018 at 4:39 pm
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        @”What would happen if I tried to do this diet with regular quality meat and eggs?”

        You’d probably get food poisoning. lol

        You have to make the quality of the meats your top priority. Grain-fed liver is sweet tasting and fatty and cheap, but I don’t eat it. I much prefer the more vinegar-like sharp taste of grass-fed liver.

        What you need to eat every day to be healthy on a carnivore diet is: raw grass-fed beef liver, raw grass-fed steak. Water with mineral-rich crystal salt added to it to ionize it for full absorption. That’s it. That’s all you need for perfect health as far as diet goes.

        Everything else, including every “5 star” restaurant in the world where food is destroyed by cooking is totally unnecessary.

        It’s total freedom from the tyranny of conditioned tastes when you recondition yourself to pure unadulterated blood.

        Eggs and raw milk and raw cream and the rest of this stuff you only need when you can’t get grass-fed red meat. Nothing is as nutrient dense as red meat. The expensive part is the steak. Liver is relatively cheap.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QNw_jw_xQg

        What you should do, if you want to do this on a budget is. Buy your liver grass-fed and only eat that. That will give you all the nutrition you need. Then for red meat, buy grass-fed ground beef and eat it raw with a bit of salt. Or you can skip the ground beef altogether and just eat the liver. Where I live, here in Los Angeles, a very expensive place, a pound of grass fed liver is around 8 bucks. That’s a quarter pound a day for 4 days. You’re getting the best nutrition you can possibly get for 2 dollars a day.

        I’m sure you can afford 2 bucks a day, right?

        Just get a pound of grass-fed beef or veal liver every 4 days and eat a quarter pound of it a day raw, cut up into little bite-sized pieces.

        I eat all organic raw meats, plenty of sashimi and stuff, but nothing is better than red meat and the most nutritious red meat is grass-fed liver.

    • 13-February-2019 at 9:32 am
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      @”If it’s raw and organic, it mostly digests before even getting to your stomach.”

      Actually I made more than a bit of an exaggeration there. lol

      What happens is that raw animal foods, as long as they’re natural and organic and not altered by man adversely, move in and OUT of your stomach in 45 minutes, whereas anything cooked takes 3 to 4 hours. Hence you never have bloating with raw animal products. You will not have any bloating or any indigestion whatsoever even if you drink 24 pastured eggs in one shot, which I have done many times. I keep cooked food to a minimum now and only to satisfy taste conditioning, not for nutrition needs or sustenance.

      If I start craving cooked food, I will usually only eat as small a portion as possible to satisfy taste and the conditioned need to have something “hot” in my stomach. Cold raw food is immediately warmed up in the stomach anyway as its getting quickly digested, so the “hotness” of cooked food is not as much of a draw as all the spices and tastes and aromas that usually only cooked food gives you. Those tastes can all be satisfied with only a very small portion of cooked food while everything else is eaten fully raw for maximum nutrition and good-feelings after.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVixnw1U8AA-exG.jpg

      https://imgoat.com/uploads/f53295a738/178937.jpg

      https://imgoat.com/uploads/6da2f590cd/176697.jpg

  • 19-November-2018 at 2:53 pm
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    @Nate wrote [quote] In my mind, I always thought it was “wrong” to eat animals because I knew people could survive without meat. In spite of this belief, I had always eaten animal products. When I went vegan it was not because of my morals, it was because it made me feel good physically. i was never an “ethical vegan”, however I wonder if going vegan cleared up some dissonance I had in my head?

    I do have to admit, while I was a vegan i did feel like I was doing “good” by not “unnecessarily” killing living things. I would occasionally cheer myself up by thinking that I was doing “good”.[/quote]

    It’s all a scam.

    http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

    You actually kill far more animals in total weight (by running them over and destroying their natural habitats) when you clear huge fields to grow plants than you do when you eat only grass-fed and organic meats. Tons and tons of mice and birds and small animals of all kinds get slaughtered because some dufus wants to eat a nutritionally worthless or at best , very weakly nutritious, salad.

  • 19-November-2018 at 3:54 pm
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    So good to get another confirmation that raw foods meat or otherwise carry there won probiotics that will happily digest the food without clogging the digestive tract.

    Thank you Negentropic for the detail on your meat diet, the raw is the key that I was not aware of. It makes sense on so many levels. Cheers

    • 21-November-2018 at 4:50 pm
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      I just at 12 raw eggs, ate some organic pork over it, steak and liver and washed it down with raw kefir and raw cream and some kompucha. My stomach has no bloating whatsoever and there is no indigestion whatsoever. This is THE ideal human diet. People have been all brainwashed for many centuries. No wonder they call it “cooked,” since it literally turns you into a bloated “cook,” a malnourished nutjob.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPW3rbqWNu4

  • 21-November-2018 at 7:37 pm
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    @Neg

    Awesome! Thanks for the reply.

    This seems doable to me, tomorrow I will go out and see if I can find those three things: gf liver, gf beef, and mineral rich salt. And ill probably get a few dozen eggs too.

    Would Himalayan pink salt work? Or is there something else I should be looking for?

    A few stupid questions about the meat…

    should I rinse off the outside, or trim off the outside, before I eat it?

    -I assume I should keep the meat refrigerated. Does it taste better if I let it warm up to room temp before I eat it? Any seasonings or other preparation tips?

    -Half a pound a day doesnt sound like very much food, Im a little concerned that I will be starving, but I guess Ill find out. If Im still hungry after the half a pound of beef, I will top myself off with eggs.

    Thanks again, Neg. I felt like a failure after my last attempt, thanks to your replies I feel confident I can redeem myself. Im going to take this second attempt much more seriously.

    Lol, i cant wait to see peoples reactions at thanksgiving when they see what im eating. Especially considering that I was vegan for 5 years.

  • 21-November-2018 at 10:44 pm
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    @ “Lol, i cant wait to see peoples reactions at thanksgiving when they see what im eating. Especially considering that I was vegan for 5 years.”

    Cut up the liver at home, put it on a plate, take it to your family and friends as a “gift.” make it look nice and neat on the table. Say it’s a special delicacy to eat grass-fed liver raw to appreciate all the delicate flavors like a real connoisseur.

    @”I assume I should keep the meat refrigerated. Does it taste better if I let it warm up to room temp before I eat it? Any seasonings or other preparation tips?”

    It’s got all the flavor you need if it’s good grass-fed liver from a healthy animal. No need to add salt. I only add salt and some extra raw butter to steak. Rib-eye and cuts like that are fatty enough that you don’t need extra butter, just a little salt. But Sirloin and other muscle meats, you can add extra butter.

    Once your body gets used to eating raw grass-fed liver, you can even rot it for 3 months or more and eat it “high.” At that point because the stinky meat is so full of bacteria, it gets you really high around 20 minutes right after eating it. But that’s more advanced stuff down the line.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMN3ZdPXXc

    Just watch Gatis’s channel and also the Primal Edge Guy’s channel, plus Milk Jar and some of these other more notorious raw meat activists.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimalEdgeHealth

    Also, it doesn’t hurt, if you can afford it, to have some Allimax garlic extract on hand,

    https://www.amazon.com/ALLIMAX-Capsules-180mg-30/dp/B000ACAVZ2

    just in case your body freaks out to some of the raw meat because it’s not quite used to it yet. I can only vouch for the brand I posted above, the Jeff-Rense-Peter-Joslin promoted one, not being “placebo.”

    If you get a headache or start getting a runny nose and stuff, those kind of symptoms, take about a 100 milligrams of allimax and you’re good, no matter what. I haven’t had a flu or cold in 5 years. Gatis doesn’t like garlic, ginger, apple cider vinegar and mineral salt. I disagree. As long as you don’t rely on them like the vegans and only take them as supplements to the raw grass-fed red meats, they’re fine in calibrated and rational doses.

    The Primal Edge guy is much more rational about salt and natural antibiotics like garlic. 70% of your immune system is based in your gut, so without a healthy gut, it is impossible to be a healthy overall human. Just eat grass-fed liver and grass-fed steak and you’ll have a healthy gut without even needing to eat any other probiotics like sour kraut and stuff.

  • 05-December-2018 at 3:01 pm
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    At the 8 minute 20 second mark here you can see a baby eating a chicken drumstick bigger than its head like a total savage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREb0fiqaKo

    whereas the vegan babies previously shown in the same video obviously don’t like what they are made to eat.

    Meats have the most nutrients, obviously, and the most bioavailability of the nutrients in their raw state:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk0Pi4O9K50

    Just because some vegetables have some nutrients does not mean that you will absorb them since plants also release anti-nutrients into your body, whereas with raw meats there is almost perfect digestion every time without having to take any extra salt, since raw state meats preserve all the enzymes and bacteria needed to digest themselves in the human body perfectly.

    You are not what you eat, you are what you digest. It’s generally good to only buy what you can eat fresh that day or within a couple of days, then go out and get more fresh stuff. Aside from “high meat” which is just rotten liver or something you save in a jar for a few months and then eat on special occasions when you want to contact the spirits of the dead ancestors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoVt__-fuNw

  • 15-February-2019 at 11:29 am
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    I can’t seem to comment on the flat earth pages, so I’m just going to say it here, delete it after if it has no place to stay here which is think is the case.

    I just wanted to say that the channel Red Pill Philosophy has taken up the title of ball earth skeptic. He doesn’t mention the original ball earth skeptic so I’m not sure if he knows about the original ball earth skeptic jlb or whether he is just ignoring the fact?
    However he has been debating spinning globe believers and has been doing well, he debated the godless engineer and the godless engineer was just throwing out ridiculous proofs like Cavendish and all that nonsense.
    I’m no flat earther, I actually have no idea what the earth is, I really don’t know? The flat earth top brass are blatantly dodgy, but this isn’t evidence of it being wrong at all, it’s just scammers taking advantage. I find myself in terms ball earth skeptic position and have done for a couple of years. I personally can’t prove it either way. I have done some observations and they don’t jive with any ball earth is was told we lived on, however many things aren’t understood about the horizon, so I don’t know?
    But the proofs of both the globe and the flat earth are terrible. I don’t know what to believe. I tend to not believe anything these days, red Pill philosophy is doing a good job being a skeptic, although he does appear more on the flat side. I am in the middle. I’m almost certain the earth doesn’t move though, this is different. I’ve noticed the flat earthers use the problems with the globe and it moving and stuff as proof of the flat earth, but they don’t, they go against the spinning globe but not for the flat earth. The flat earth has little proof just like the globe. I am certainly not as sure as jlb about the shape of the earth, the bon earth model I haven’t checked out, but like jlb says, and model is not the terrain. The stars to me prove nothing..I don’t even know what the stars are, they appear to be lights.
    I watched the recent lunar eclipse and it was very confusing to new as it did not look to be possible on a spinning globe, everything about it was strange. A mystery and one I have no explanation for myself. It is something to watch though, seemed to me as if a light went out, then like a fluorescent light jumped then lit up again. Very very odd. The moon is a mystery to me.
    But I just wanted to say, there is another globe earth skeptic about, it’s better to be a skeptic than to take on either model with no evidence.
    Just wanted to say that anyway. Peace and love to everyone. 😉

    • 15-February-2019 at 11:56 am
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      This page is a reasonable place for the comment. No problem. Thank you for sharing.

      Regarding ‘ball earth skepticism’, if ‘red pill philosophy’ is enjoying what he is doing, and his audience find it entertaining, then I say good luck to him. If, on the other hand, he truly believes that he is ever going to stop Flat Earth, or somehow dent the growing FE religion (‘movement’) then he is naive and will eventually either learn his lesson, or get burnt out in the process.

      There is no stopping religion. The lemming masses need external validation and a sense of ‘community’. Whether they get that via Science or FE or more traditional churches, it makes little difference. Anybody who truly thinks he can change human nature is a fool (even if well-meaning).

      Regarding my own views on the Earth Shape Question, I released a detailed treatise on the matter about two years ago. It is available only to Full Members. I also recorded a two-hour overview of my position which is available for free. To this day, not a single person has presented an objection to either the logic or the evidence which underpins my position. This is likely because no such objection could be made. I have cracked the Earth Shape case and, truth be told, it is not a tough case to crack. The moment you apply an objective approach, without bias or preconceived notions, the outcome is inevitable — it is just a matter of taking the time to parse through the data.

      Both FE and Spinning Ball Earth (SBE) are laughable nonsense, and this is obvious. A more blatantly false dichotomy, you could not hope to find. However, both SBE and FE give their lemming believers a sense of ‘knowledge’ or ‘wisdom’, and/or a sense of collective agreement (‘community’), so in this sense they serve their purpose(s) well.

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