JLB Chats w/ Yossarion + Farcevalue (22-Dec-2017)

Are the people who run the show ‘evil’? Do ‘paid shills’ really exist? What evidence is there to prove it? How much responsibility ought we take for our own lives? Is the system as bad as some people believe and, if so, why do we continue to play our roles in the system?

On Wednesday, 20-Dec-2017 I made another appearance in the Fakeologist audichat Discord server. I was accompanied first by Yossarion from Queensland, Australia, and later by Farcevalue from the United States.

This podcast features that discussion (unedited, save for some sound level adjustments) along with introductory and closing thoughts recorded on Friday, 22-Dec-2017.

Music track: ‘Chill Wave’ by Kevin MacLeod of incompetech.com

26 thoughts on “JLB Chats w/ Yossarion + Farcevalue (22-Dec-2017)

  • So much of the debate that surrounds the content of your discussions seem to hinge on the “They” factor.

    When you talk of the “system” and those that administer it without putting a face to the participants, it is always going to be a tough task to make the type of judgment you task us to propose ….. that is, of if the shadow is good or evil.

    When you start to ask the ” how much do you live in your self-sovereignty” questions you posed, these can be couched in a different vernacular that makes it possible to address a good/opportunity or bad/evil outcome based on your choices.

    From the very simplest examples of manipulation of herd mentality that we are going through at the time of writing this comment ……… “Christmas”………….. we can see the many facets of the corporate involvement and the distortion in the cultural narrative.

    If you have any semblance of awareness to the absence of critical thinking in the population at large at these times, the question would have to loom large as to where is your need to blame “them”.

    This is when your own self-sovereignty is called into question through what participation you have in the Christmas narrative or any of the other multitude of “system” derived activities. Regards Russell

    • “So much of the debate that surrounds the content of your discussions seem to hinge on the “They” factor.”

      I was glad we were able to spend some time addressing this topic in our most recent Member Skype call.

      For the sake of posterity I still think it is worth briefly replying here as well.

      Put simply, I don’t know who is at the top of the broader social structure today. I don’t expect to ever know. And I am at peace with this. It is not a problem for me.

      What I can know is what the authority is putting out there for the masses to believe, regardless of who is at the top of the organisations which comprise the overarching authority.

      By ‘authority’ I mean the people who run the show, the storytellers, the people who keep the masses in line via (among other things) telling them incredible stories about all manner of things.

      Space exploration, war (including millions of deaths), nuclear bombs, inter-continental ballistic missiles, ancient history, human evolution, spinning ball earth, on and on and on.

      The authority i.e. the author of the stories for the masses, and the people at the top of the social structure, there is a conceptual overlap between these two groups.

      Many of us partake in the system of storytelling. When a father reads a book about space exploration to his children, he is helping to spread and reinforce the story.

      But he is not, of course, anywhere near the top of the broader social structure.

      The lecturer of astrophysics at the university is also a key member of the authority, the storytelling, but is he really anywhere near the top of the broader social structure? I doubt it.

      This is why I like to focus on what we do know, what we can agree on, and then draw conclusions from this. For instance, we can all agree that the masses were told the lunar module took men to the moon.

      Then some of us can agree that it looks like a comical school project, complete with cardboard panels, aluminium foil drapings, and even some sticky tape for good measure. A joke.

      From here we can discuss why it looks like this. Why did the authority — whoever they are — release such bogus evidence to support their silly story?

      I have put forward what I think is the most sensible explanation, but I am more than open to other explanations as well.

      In the meantime, getting bogged down on ‘who are they’ is at best a distraction from the topic at hand, and at worst a complete waste of one’s finite time/energy.

      We can draw logical and even firm conclusions from the evidence available on some discrete topics.

      As for who ‘they’ are, how much evidence do we really have to draw conclusions from? As far as I can see, the answer is not much.

      • Jon i have some questions for you mate. I am honestly curious. Why does it matter to you what the so called “masses” believe?

        Let me just say that i think you are correct in alot of your assumptions. The moon mission does not seem plausible nor does 911. But what harm do these false narratives really cause people?

        I understand more than anyone, and i do not think i am alone on this site, that lies and liars have always until very recently got under my skin. But i ask myself now, why should it affect me if i know the truth? I pity liars now for anyone who lies to themself cannot be truely alive in my opinon.

        In a sense i can understand why these made up stories are told to all manner of people. In inspires wonder, awe, and sometimes even fear. Perhaps what you call these people running the show are doing is filling these peoples lives up with what they perceive these people are lacking. Food for thought.

        • After some thought i have to revise my comment. I believe all “beliefs” held by others should be taken in to account because a belief by its very nature is an understanding a person has arrived at through what they have learned through their own experiences and observations. I do not believe it is even possible to “believe” the moon is flat or round because in order to know so one must be able to observe the other side through their own eyes.

        • Why does it matter to you what the so called “masses” believe?

          For one thing, I share this earth with them. The better I understand the masses, the more productive my interactions with them shall be. At least in theory.

          The moon mission does not seem plausible nor does 911. But what harm do these false narratives really cause people?

          Harm or no harm, the reality is that I won’t be able to change the minds of the believers, and have no good reason to try to do so in the first place.

          In other words, we seem to be in agreement: it is not a problem if the masses believe silly stories. I used to see it as a problem, but I have progressed since then.

  • Interesting discussion. I agree with you on the point they make it obvious that there is something fishy going on but they do it because they are Kabbalists which means they believe in Karma and Free will. They have to present you with the truth and “We” as a herd then have to choose between the truth and the lie and we consistently choose the lie which then inflicts pain on us.

    As William Cooper would put it “A nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are steaks on the table and beasts of burden by choice and consent. ”

    But if you can begin to see through the veil and think for yourself you will be rewarded with navigating through this realm with relative ease. This realm has a purpose and it is my disappointment that they have succeeded separating you from your Creator. Place as much critical thought into how you got here as you do on how we are being manipulated and I guarantee you will eat of its fruits.

    Not sure if you have seen this discussion but here is one from Above top secret that answers some of these questions. http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html. Also look up the Law of Confusion. May you be reunited with the knowledge of love and light of the Infinite Creator.

    • “…they do it because they are Kabbalists which means they believe in Karma and Free will.”

      What is the best piece of evidence you have to support this assertion?

      • Hi JLB … The reason we know the powers that be are Kabbalist is the symbolism they hide in plain site. On the money, during their rituals (911 for example was a human sacrifice) in the Numerology of the events. These are examples of ancient sorcery that most people today would laugh at, but thats exactly how they would like to keep it. The Masons are just keepers of ancient knowledge and if you look deeper into it it all stems from Egypt and before that Atlantis. The Kabbalah was hijacked from the Egyptians thats why you see the Obelix in the three pillars of power Washington DC (Military) Vatican (Religion) and City of London(Finance) (Note all these cities are separate from any country) and Pyramids on the US Dollar.

        A concrete example would be 911 itself. Before the towers fell there was Tower 1(Male with he antenna) and Tower 2(Female). These two towers represent the two pillars at the gate of the Temple of Solomon (Solar Moon) Boaz and Jachin which are represented on the Kabbalistic tree of life. The number 11 itself represents the Twin(Pillars)/Duality the idea the two are separate. This idea is echoed in most Masonic lodges with the two pillars at the entrance. The idea is to have them mate to and “give birth” to the third (eye)/trinity. You have to “tear” down your old self and be reborn/rebuild anew. Thats why they built the Freedom tower which looks like/is the Seal of Solomon the fusion of the two extremes the Shaft (Pointing up Triangle) and the Chastity (Pointing down Triangle) which is a very old symbol much older than Judaism. Watch this Mark Passio video if you want a through comb through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXOJHZhoO68

        As far as Karma this is an old idea from all ancient cultures just read it from the Kabalyon if you need reference. The idea is that you can absolve your Karma if allow certain conditions. By making us make the choice it absolves them from making the choice for us. We should be able to see we are being fooled and enslaved but if we make the choice then we are the ones responsible as you were mentioning before.

        • Thanks for taking the time to reply. I asked you for your best piece of evidence that the people at the top are kabbalists, and I cannot discern what you are presenting as that best piece of evidence.

          Let me ask again: what is the single best piece of evidence you have to support your assertion that the people at the top are kabbalists?

          You speak about what things ‘represent’. Represent to who? Each of us as individuals gets to decide what any particular symbol represents to us.

          For example, the number 33 represents boogeyman to most conspiratards. It represents nothing more than thirty three (i.e. the equivalent of 3 multiplied by 11) to normies.

          To me 33 represents (among other things; it is all contextual) an easy way to have fun with my thumbnails and videos, taking the piss out of conspiratards.

          There is even a subtle 33 on the main page of this very website.

          In other words, I get to decide what 33 represents to me, just like you get to decide what 33 represents to you.

          If you are going to claim that you know what any particular symbol represents to somebody else, the least you can do is provide a source to verify this claim.

          • Hi JLB … Again you have fallen for the idea that nothing has meaning. This is how we get ourselves into debates about 54 genders.

            There is only one meaning that matters just like there is only one truth. 33 means something very particular. To the profane it could mean anything but to the initiated there is agreement its meaning. 33 means something deep and profound and the fact that the most used instrument of transaction is littered with these symbols it should suggest it has meaning. Our rulers are not stupid. I cannot tell you the meaning because it would mean nothing unless you took the time to discover it for yourself. Its its own language that has been kept away from you and will take time to understand. There is no easy way to learn this stuff accept begin the journey by taking the first step. All I can do is suggest a path.

            Just for completeness all 33rd degree Masons have agreement on what it means. The rest of the profane who have not even spent 10 minutes to try understand it will have 10000 different ideas but you should not care about them. Take the time to try it and you will see crevice in you mind begin to open. This is what a symbol is designed to do.

            • I asked you a simple question about your evidence, and your first line in response is to make accusations against me what I have supposedly ‘fallen for’.

              I will ask you one more time: what is your best piece of evidence to support the claim that the people who run the show are kabbalists?

              Do not bother responding unless your response focuses on your evidence. You will not be given a fourth chance.

              Once we have established what your evidence is (if anything) then we can inspect it and explore your claims.

              Then we can move on to your accusations against me.

              First things first.

  • Hi JLB … I mentioned it 3 times that they Hide it in Plain Site. They have Monuments to their beliefs i.e The Freedom Tower, The Dollar Bill I dont know how else to say it. These are ancient motifs used by Kabbalists/Masons that have particular meaning. There is no dictionary of what they mean. Doesnt work like that so if you want a dictionary I cannot provide it. It doesnt exist.

    • Okay, so you have no actual evidence to support your claim. That is all well and good but it seems to me you may have somehow found yourself on the wrong website.

      Please read and seriously consider this article: https://www.johnlebon.com/articles/primary-source-research-methodology/

      If you want to spout grandiose, sweeping speculations as ‘truth’, and also respond with ad hominems when challenged for evidence, this is not the place for you.

      Consider this a polite, final warning.

      • Hi JLB, I read through your report carefully. All I have to say is that somethings fall outside of your method of decrement, like is Beethoven better than Bach. Somethings cannot be quantified and proven to your degree of completeness. This is where the esoteric discipline lies. So i take this junction to agree to disagree and good luck on your quest for truth.

          • bmseattle


            JLB spoke about “My Inventions” in his podcast about Tesla.
            Apparently you haven’t listened to it, but he goes into great detail about his research into Tesla.

            The part about My Inventions is toward the end, and the 1hour 35minute mark, but I’d suggest listening to the entire podcast to get the full context. It is quite interesting.

          • As bmseattle has politely and rightly pointed out to you, I have already covered ‘My Inventions’. All of the relevant information (including sources) is provided in that podcast. The key point is that ‘My Inventions’ was not written by Tesla as a book, but as a series of articles which were published in a magazine run by a science-fiction writer (and alleged crook) named Hugo Gernsback.

            Allow me to you suggest that you familiarise yourself with the research on this website before posting any further comments. Cheers.

  • Here is that “proof” that you were looking for that Masonary is rooted in Kaballah. You wouldn’t need anyone else to tell you if you had “eyes” to see for yourself that all masonic (phee meson Egyptian for children of the light…) symbols come from “pagan” ideas if properly interpreted which are rooted in ancient Egypt and Sumer. http://itssinstupid.tripod.com/CABAQUOT.HTM

    • Just for completeness all 33rd degree Masons have agreement on what it means. – – –

      Hi Suri – are you a 33rd degree Mason? or do you know someone who is whereupon you can share some insight on what it actually means?

      Freemasonry is rooted in Kabbalah. Ok. Now what? While one can point out numbers, patterns, symbols et al..and infer esoteric meaning, I’ve yet to meet / read / watch anyone who can do more than speculate on what the meaning of it all is. perhaps informed speculation… but speculation nonetheless.

      This is not their fault, nor am I expecting the ultimate ‘truth’ from someone else. I certainly do not have the answers, but am genuinely trying to learn from others further along in this scene, so as not to waste time trying to re-invent the wheel at each leg of the journey.

      anything you can share will be most welcome.

      while doing so, I prefer a positive, productive dialogue to improve my understanding, not exchanges in a tone that could be interpreted as unnecessarily combative in nature.

      • Hi Jon,

        I would love to share but first I would like to say something about Symbolism. If you have specific symbols you would like to decode we can talk through them.

        I am not a Mason but I have discussed this with many Masons and have been encouraged lets say that I am on the correct path to understanding.

        Let me clarify something that some people have a misunderstanding on the reason those in the know dont just tell what they mean. Symbols have many levels of understanding. If say that for instance spoken and written language is a one dimensional method of communication then symbolism would be described as at least a three dimensional language. These two additional axis introduce a richness of comprehension analogous to the difference between 2D and 3D animation. To find meaning in Symbols one must ponder on the Symbol and let the symbol “speak” to you in a sense. If one tried to just tell someone the meaning one might not get the full nuance and revery the symbol portraits, more likely some would just try to find analog in something they already know distorting the symbols true intention. So those in the know dont want to steal away understanding by telling you without you doing any work to understand. They are actually doing you a favor…Seek first and answers will come, then you can begin to ask the right questions and those in the know will begin to answer.

        Watch this from Manly P Hall on Albert Pikes understanding of Symbolism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrWZn-HdGB4

        Ultimately to become a 33rd Mason you have gone through this journey of decoding symbols and meaning and unlocking within yourself new meaning understanding of the universe around you. The ultimate goal is to CHRISTalize your consciousness because you and the universe are one. As above so Below. For a 33 degree Mason to tell a neophyte the deepest level of understanding of say the Pyramid it would be similar to a Phd Quantium Physicist using his Mathematical symbols to explain to a 6 grader their meaning.

        As an example here is Ra’s (Believe it if you would like but this channelling is very knowledgeable about the world around us) interpretation of the first Tarot Card The Magician which the entity claims to have created.


        More about Ra can be found here. https://www.lawofone.info/

      • “We know the lengths of days and hours, we know certain ways of analyzing the chemical constitutions of things. By mathematical formula we can split an atom, but by mathematical formula we do not know what an atom is. The true and essential knowledge therefore is not in it’s purest substance ever available to man in a natural state. If it comes to him, how does he receive it? He must receive it by revelation, by vision, by intuition, by insight. He must in some way gain it through an experience which he cannot share with others. He may attempt to share, but the moment a knowing passes from him to another, that which comes to him as knowing is accepted by that other as an acceptance, as an opinion, as an interpretation, or as a belief. Therefore, that which we communicate can be believed by others, but that which we communicate can only be known to ourselves. There is this mysterious interval between self and others, and while our own insight may convince us of the inevitable truth of things, we also come upon another dilemma, the insight of others give to them different interpretations of the same thing. Therefore, to say “I know” is not only an indication of penetration, but it is also a completely individual project. The individual can know for himself, he may know that which is necessary to himself, but this knowing he cannot say will be identical with the knowing of any other person”

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