Update: Weekend Skype Calls

The calls so far have been enjoyable and even more productive than I had expected.

I have taken a few notes while chatting and already produced one post as a direct result of one of the topics which came up in conversation.

Thanks to those who have taken part over the past few weeks.

Now that different time zones around the world are either entering or leaving ‘daylight savings’ I thought it worth posting a quick update.

It is also worth revisiting the times set aside for the calls. I have noticed that the Sunday morning (my time) call always attracts a few participants, but the Sunday night block did not do so, nor did the Saturday night which replaced it. This may be due to lack of interest, or it may be due to my failure to more heavily promote the times.

In any event, I will leave it at just the Sunday morning for now and if interest picks up I can reinstate the other block as well.

For this weekend and until further notice, the Sunday morning block shall remain as it has been every week so far:

Sunday morning Brisbane 8am
Sunday morning Melbourne 9am
Saturday night London 11pm
Saturday night New York 6pm

 

 

I understand that this is not ideal for most European members. If you guys would like to suggest (in the comments section) a time which works better for you than 11am London time Saturday, or 11am London time Sunday (the two times I have tried so far which did not draw an audience), I will be happy to trial your suggested time next weekend.

Basically my weekends are mostly free – I just have one social thing I attend every Sunday (as per my Challenge goal).

Other than that I am pretty flexible. I don’t ‘go out’ on Friday or Saturday nights; I usually spend that time either at the cafe or at home working on research and content.

I know that might sound boring for a 30-year-old man, but it is fair to say that I got all of my reckless drinking, hedonism, and utter retardation out of my system in my twenties.

You could argue that I am ‘not social enough’ and it would be a reasonable argument but, in my defence, I am being more social now by attending the Sunday thing each week, which I promised myself at the beginning of the Challenge. It’s a start.

I’m not wasting the ‘free time’, either: much of what you see on this site is the result of work done when other people my age are out getting drunk and/or stoned and/or talking complete rubbish with fellow normies and/or sitting in front of a TV and/or playing video games and/or sitting on facebook and other vacuous ‘social media’.

On another note: Remember that these calls are private and they are to be treated as per ‘Chatham House Rules’.

Perhaps in the future if people are so interested we might start recording group calls and releasing them (either to other members, or to the wider public).

I feel like we have covered territory in our informal chats which many (most?) podcasts out there are oblivious to. In other words, I would rather listen to a podcast of our conversations than most (all?) of the podcasts I used to listen to. Call me ‘arrogant’ if you like but I am just being honest. I have gotten more out of the calls so far than the majority of content I have listened to over the years.

For now, though, I like the freedom of speaking ‘off the record’, and that is how the calls will remain.

My skype is johnpbono for those who have yet to add me.

Hope to see you in a skype call soon 🙂

8 thoughts on “Update: Weekend Skype Calls

  • 22-October-2017 at 3:38 am
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    Damn, tomorrow I’m home and free and I was thinking of calling you on the Sunday evening block (your 8-9 pm which should 12 am-1pm in Italy), but I just read you canceled it.

    Well, I’ll leave my Skype on anyway, and see if you’re available.

    Ciao

  • 22-October-2017 at 1:25 pm
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    Thanks for having me on the call guys! Very entertaining, I love listening to people. I wish I would have been able to talk more, I was cooking, cleaning and screaming at children with it on mute. Pandemonium. I’ll try to remember some things I thought of during the call.

    Half way through the 12 week challenge, what I noticed is that I have a lot fewer distractions. Now that I am not drinking, or jerking off, I have a lot more time with nothing to do. There is an elephant in my room that I have been avoiding, my self. Purposelessness. I had already stopped watching Youtube a few months before the challenge, and I seriously don’t watch TV. I used to obsessively read the news, but I stopped that about a year ago. I have very little to do except spend time with my self. I had told one of my coworkers about how I wasn’t drinking or eating any junk for 12 weeks, he already knew that I ate extremely “healthy” so I joked with him that I was going to continue improving myself to the point that I would not do ANYTHING, I would just be a set of fucking eyeballs. He didn’t think that was funny, I was in a good mood I thought it was funny. Anyway, without all the distractions it is a lot clearer to me that my ego is the central problem in my life, its as if all my difficulties with the world stem from my ego. A few weeks of sobriety and I start focusing on philosophical/spiritual stuff like this, trippy stuff just like you were saying JLB. It was sort of depressing too, if going monk mode makes me feel schizophrenic, then am I just plain crazy? Is that the problem here, I am just a boring mentally ill person? Since I am making myself feel bad all the time with my grotesque ego then I must be crazy, normal people don’t do that to themselves. The first step is admitting we have a problem.

    About elite pedophiles…I wonder if it is a misdirection? It reminds me of how they make George Bush seem so stupid with the “fool me once” act, this makes everyone think that TPTRTS are idiots who just happen to be in control (patriarchal inheritance), when in fact the TPTRTS are much more intelligent and better organized than normies can even imagine. Sort of along those same lines, TPTRTS could be pushing the idea that TPTRTS are immoral bad dudes, molesting and killing, etc. This makes it easier to believe that 3000 people actually died on 911, etc.

    This system is a voluntary system, it isn’t like a jail. People are choosing to work 40+ hours a week to keep the system going. Its not like they are being kidnapped and placed into this system. It makes me think of species specific bird houses, if you build the right kind of bird house then that kind of bird will naturally find the house and move in on it’s own, you don’t have to go out and trap that kind of bird.

    Dante said that he would want to know if there are elite pedophiles, even if it did not change anything about his life. What if the opposite was true, what if Dante knew that the TPTRTS were not pedophiles at all, but instead were like real life angels, and that they did everything they do for very good, well thought out reasons. Would that change things?

    If content doesn’t change the way you live your life then isn’t that content just entertainment? If I am going to entertain myself, I am sure as hell not going to focus on pedophiles. There are 10,000 things a person could focus on. It reminds me of something I just read in the sync book, “I bleed into everything I perceive”, yes and everything we perceive bleeds into us.

    Moving forward I think I am going to focus more on synchromysticism. It is cool how I kind of undergo ego death while seeing sync, so it is sort of perfect that I came across sync at the same time that I am confronting my ego. Sigh, so fucking weird it makes my chest hurt. Lol, there are so many things that I have just read in the sync book that I have been talking about recently. It is almost like I must have read the sync book before in the past but somehow got amnesia and forgot where I got all the ideas from.

    JLB, I hope I didn’t upset you when I said that the topic of your recent post was boring. I was trying to joke around, the previous two comments were so flattering to you that I felt you needed some balance. I had just finished reading every word on a monstrous comment thread on Lesta’s google plus, then I came to your page and without a break I read every word of that methodology post. I was kind of making light of myself with the “boring” comment, when I was mostly done reading the post I saw myself for a second and felt like a huge nerd for reading the stuff I do. Nevertheless, the truth to the joke is that I wished your post had been about synchromysticism, that is what I thought the next post would be about, so maybe I said “boring” to try to nudge you away from serious topics and towards more fun topics such as sync.

    • 25-October-2017 at 11:38 am
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      Re purposelessness

      Half way through the 12 week challenge, what I noticed is that I have a lot fewer distractions. Now that I am not drinking, or jerking off, I have a lot more time with nothing to do. There is an elephant in my room that I have been avoiding, my self. Purposelessness.

      It seems to me, from my own experience and what I have observed of others, that this is the real bane of our modern existence: purposelessness. Some people are able to make do with job/family and fill in the spare time with programmed normie lifestyle habits (TV, drinking, and drama with family e.g. bitching about family member x to family member y). Those of us who slowly but surely remove ourselves from the Normie lifestyle will struggle with finding new ways to ‘pass the time’.

      Now that I think about it, this is yet another reason why the online charlatans are so successful. Encourage people to dislike certain elements of their current life (such as the TV ‘news’) and then there will be a void to fill. Well, what do you know? These charlatans will produce hours of empty content every week to fill that very void! Then you have the gossipy private google hangouts and Skype calls with ‘online friends’ which many n00b ‘truthers’ get sucked into, and hey, new ‘purpose’ (even if it is not conscious).

      For me this is another reason why short-term goals are so important. What better purpose is there than self-improvement? Sure, people can say that ‘family’ is a better purpose, but in my experience the people who make such claims typically spend less quality time with family than they do on phones/computers, let alone working for money they waste on the system.

      There is a satisfaction which comes from incremental, objective, quantifiable personal improvement which cannot be overstated. It is amazing. Perhaps after a few months of such improvements, it may be easier for an individual to look more broadly at their life and find a more overarching purpose.

      I have very little to do except spend time with my self. I had told one of my coworkers about how I wasn’t drinking or eating any junk for 12 weeks, he already knew that I ate extremely “healthy” so I joked with him that I was going to continue improving myself to the point that I would not do ANYTHING, I would just be a set of fucking eyeballs. He didn’t think that was funny

      That made me laugh out loud. Either your coworker is a buffoon, or your verbal delivery was poor. In writing, though, that is some good material.

      Re ego

      Anyway, without all the distractions it is a lot clearer to me that my ego is the central problem in my life, its as if all my difficulties with the world stem from my ego.

      I am in the same boat and I suspect that most people who read this will agree that they are, too.

      Every day, more than once, my mind will randomly throw at me a vision/memory of something embarrassing I did in the past. I’m not joking. Even stuff from as far back as primary school. For example, I might be hanging out the washing, and then for no apparent reason I will suddenly remember the time some kid pointed out that there was toothpaste on my shirt and I felt like an idiot for not noticing it myself. Now why the hell is my mind randomly bringing this up? What does it have to do with anything, let alone hanging out the washing 20 years after the event in question? Why do I even still remember that?

      This may seem like a trivial example, because it is. Often the memories are of things much worse. Generally though they have one thing in common: these memories are of events in which my public standing (perceived or real) was jeopardised, be that at school, at work, in social settings, or whatever.

      It is almost like my ‘ego’ fighting for conscious attention; that is, it is like a part of my mind (which we might call the ‘ego’) realises it is slowly disappearing, and it is now in a desperate bid to reclaim my attention, to grow back to its old size. If it can keep throwing these ego-centric memories at me, it might be able to throw me off-course, divert me from my current path of making peace with myself and the world.

      I recall that back when I used to smoke weed my ego was much more successful with this strategy. I could spend large periods of time wallowing in self-pity about things from the past, or worrying about ‘the future’. My ego was having a field day.

      In typing out this reply it seems to me that, at least insofar as I understand/use the terms, there is a direct relationship between ego and anxiety. As if the two go hand-in-hand.

      Moreover, as the ego realises it is shrinking, it does whatever it can to regain control. In this sense it is ‘self’-destructive, but the self in this analysis is not the ego, but the part of the spirit/being which is not ego.

      That is, we self-destruct with anxiety over the past, or the future, but it is only ‘us’ self-destructing insofar as the ego is part of who we are.

      I don’t know if I am articulating myself well in this reply.

      Re ‘crazy’

      if going monk mode makes me feel schizophrenic, then am I just plain crazy?

      Who gets to decide what is ‘crazy’ or ‘schizophrenic’? Who first created the latter term?

      We live in a society in which normies and ‘awake people’ alike feed their own children food from boxes ffs.

      Anybody who thinks society is ‘sane’, why would I care what they think about my sanity?

      We are talking about people who, in most cases, honestly believe they live on a giant spinning ball and that planes can get sucked into buildings like Wile E Coyote.

      You, myself, and a small handful of people on this website are in uncharted territory. Even the conspiratards have something approximating a ‘community’, because (in their minds at least) there is a group to which they belong. There are numbers, there is psychological safety.

      We are conditioned (and perhaps biologically programmed) to crave that psychological safety in numbers. Like a dog on heat craving a mate. We cannot bear to feel alone on our path.

      We do not have that. Those who have stepped onto the ‘other side’ are alone and we know it. In my case, by applying skepticism to notions like ‘the truth is spreading’ or ‘the elite are running scared’ or ‘online communities are real communities’, I have slowly had to embrace my loneliness. The closest thing I have to intellectual friendship is my interactions on this website, and I have never even met most of you guys in person.

      The reality is that I am alone. As I sit here and type this, there are two humans just a few metres from me, sitting at a table and eating their McBreakfast. Other humans walk by every few moments, to or from the restrooms. I feel no spiritual connection to these creatures. The veil has been lifted.

      And so I can see why some people, and this apparently includes yourself, would sooner question their own sanity rather than the sanity of the masses. After all, there are so many more of them than there are of you. How could it be that ‘I’ am the reasonable one, when I am so alone?

      I’ve had plenty of time to come to terms with this. I can only hope that anybody else who is going through the ‘am I insane’ phase/experience will get through it. I suppose in some ways the ‘other side’ metaphor only truly applies to those have acknowledged, accepted and embraced the utter insanity (or retardation) of the creatures by whom they are surrounded.

      Re the ‘elite pedo’ meme and ‘evil at the top’ meme

      About elite pedophiles…I wonder if it is a misdirection? It reminds me of how they make George Bush seem so stupid with the “fool me once” act, this makes everyone think that TPTRTS are idiots who just happen to be in control (patriarchal inheritance), when in fact the TPTRTS are much more intelligent and better organized than normies can even imagine. Sort of along those same lines, TPTRTS could be pushing the idea that TPTRTS are immoral bad dudes, molesting and killing, etc. This makes it easier to believe that 3000 people actually died on 911, etc.

      Excellent point and well made. ‘Of course they would kill 3,000 people, they is teh evilz and they molest teh kiddiez all teh time’. Same overarching narrative of ‘evil’ at the top.

      I look at it this way: if I really believed it was evil at the top, then if I were to be honest with myself, I would have to accept that I was working for the devil. If evil runs the show, and I play my role by turning up to work and spending my money, then I am doing the bidding of evil. No ifs, no buts. That is the reality. That is the logical conclusion, if the premises are accepted.

      Premise 1) I play my role in the system (earn and spend money)
      Premise 2) The system is ultimately run by evil
      Conclusion: I am living to assist evil. Ergo I am evil.

      This will be very confronting for some people to accept. They will get defensive and begin making excuses, ‘oh, I have no choice’. Okay, in your mind, how much ‘choice’ does [insert evil bad guy at the top] have? What can he, as one man in the system (just higher than us) do to stop it? No more than you or I. The system is monolithic and ubiquitous. Given his place closer to the top, [insert evil bad guy] may have even less choice than you in the matter, both psychologically and in practise. That is, the guy closer to the top of the system may have fewer options to leave the system than us proles at the bottom do.

      And so if a person can defend their own role in the system, how can they not apply their own justification to the people closer to the top?

      There is a cognitive dissonance at play, here. If we truly believe the system is run by evil at the top, and we truly believe we are not evil ourselves, then why do we submit to the system? I struggled with this dissonance myself.

      Now I wonder, what proof do I have that the people at the top are in fact ‘evil’? And when I ask people for evidence and logic, and then scrutinise their purported evidence and logic, it takes only a matter of moments to see through it.

      PERHAPS those who subscribe to ‘they are teh evilz’ are creating a living hell for themselves. If your life is dedicated to a system you believe to be run by evil, then you are — consciously or not — choosing to be a minion. You might as well be in hell.

      If, on the other hand, you allow yourself to entertain the notion that those at the top are not evil, a whole new world opens up. A much more pleasant world. A much more exciting world. A world in which you imagine your own future to be more bright than your life today. Not just imagine, but visualise; and visualisation is so critical to successful positive action.

      It seems to me that the typical ‘truther’ has spent so long in the framework that ‘the guys at the top are evil’ that he does not realise the psychological hell this places him in, each and every moment of his existence.

      This system is a voluntary system, it isn’t like a jail. People are choosing to work 40+ hours a week to keep the system going. Its not like they are being kidnapped and placed into this system. It makes me think of species specific bird houses, if you build the right kind of bird house then that kind of bird will naturally find the house and move in on it’s own, you don’t have to go out and trap that kind of bird.

      Excellent analogy. I might steal that one.

      Dante said that he would want to know if there are elite pedophiles, even if it did not change anything about his life. What if the opposite was true, what if Dante knew that the TPTRTS were not pedophiles at all, but instead were like real life angels, and that they did everything they do for very good, well thought out reasons. Would that change things?

      If content doesn’t change the way you live your life then isn’t that content just entertainment? If I am going to entertain myself, I am sure as hell not going to focus on pedophiles. There are 10,000 things a person could focus on. It reminds me of something I just read in the sync book, “I bleed into everything I perceive”, yes and everything we perceive bleeds into us.

      Excellent summation, and I agree 100%. On this issue we seem to be on the exact same wavelength, and I wonder how much of this is due to our simultaneous reading of the Sync Book(s).

      To build upon the point you are making, it can be explained this way:

      Premise 1: Our ‘reality’ is a product of what we watch/listen to (hence the effectiveness of advertising and general TV programming)
      Premise 2: The ‘pedo elite’ material on YouTube is dark stuff
      Conclusion: Those who spend their finite time consuming ‘pedo elite’ material are choosing to make their own reality more dark.

      Oh, but this is such an important topic! We have to ‘know’ about it! We have to talk about it!

      But if it does not lead to any change in your own behaviour, then why do you ‘need to know about it’?

      You don’t. The ‘pedo’ stuff is popular among truth-charlatans and truth-clowns because it plays on peoples deepest emotions. It shuts down their critical thought faculties. The charlatans and clowns do not want genuine thinkers among their audience, so what better topic to focus on (or mention regularly) than ‘pedo’ material?

      Those who want to keep watching YouTube videos and reading ‘truth’ articles about ‘elite pedophilia’, I say go right ahead. I also say this: it strikes me as every bit as insane as watching ‘war’ on the ‘news’. You are not learning anything that will help you in any way, in fact you are allowing somebody else to darken your reality. Even if you think you are a critical thinker, there are images and sounds and ideas being embedded in your subconscious which may germinate in manifest in ways you can barely imagine.

      Yuck.

      Re The Sync Books and our minds

      It is almost like I must have read the sync book before in the past but somehow got amnesia and forgot where I got all the ideas from.

      The field of epistemology is concerned with knowledge: what is it, where does it come from? If I think of an idea, did the idea exist before I thought of it? If I am the first human to ever ‘realise’ something, did this information exist before my realisation? Can I know something which hasn’t been known? Can I know something which isn’t already known? Is there knowledge which can come and go from this realm we call the universe? Or is it all there, at all the times?

      If you are reading books like Watchmen and The Sync Book(s) and really engaging with the philosophical concepts, you are on one hell of a ride. I know this because I am, too.

      I once had an idea for a novel with a plotline along these lines. I typed it out but it made this already-too-long reply that much longer, so I have posted it to this page instead.

      Re ‘sync’ and other content

      JLB, I hope I didn’t upset you when I said that the topic of your recent post was boring. I was trying to joke around, the previous two comments were so flattering to you that I felt you needed some balance. I had just finished reading every word on a monstrous comment thread on Lesta’s google plus, then I came to your page and without a break I read every word of that methodology post. I was kind of making light of myself with the “boring” comment, when I was mostly done reading the post I saw myself for a second and felt like a huge nerd for reading the stuff I do. Nevertheless, the truth to the joke is that I wished your post had been about synchromysticism, that is what I thought the next post would be about, so maybe I said “boring” to try to nudge you away from serious topics and towards more fun topics such as sync.

      Did not upset me at all. I did take you seriously, though, and it caused me to reflect on how I might try to make dry topics more interesting/readable in future content.

      I am always trying to improve my presentation, and I still have a long way to go. Then throw in the fact that I tread a fine (and often undefined) line with this site, between trying to share objective information, and trying to keep people engaged with what I am trying to convey.

      Negentropic once shared a quote with me, I forget who it was by, but basically it went along the lines of, ‘anybody who thinks there is a difference between education and entertainment doesn’t know the first thing about either’. That has stuck with me ever since. I can’t afford to bore people — what I have to share is important and, moreover, I don’t have time to waste. If I am boring people I am actually wasting MY time as well as theirs.

      As for sync, my prediction right now is that I will have three focuses in 2018 with my content (on this website and perhaps elsewhere as well):

      History Hoax
      Sync
      Gender Realism

      That is, I predict that sync will be one of my three main focuses next year. So much so that I am already formulating ideas and plans regarding a podcast series concerning sync. I would love to produce a podcast series in which every episode focuses on one chapter from either of the Sync Book(s). Suppose myself and one or two other people (maybe your good self) got together and agreed upon a list of the twelve most interesting chapters from the 52, and then every couple of weeks recorded a one-hour skype call discussing one chapter in isolation. It would be a lot of fun, a terrific way to introduce n00bs to sync, and also to potentially introduce sync veterans to other topics such as media fakery.

  • 22-October-2017 at 9:48 pm
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    There is an elephant in my room that I have been avoiding, my self. Purposelessness.

    >>> if you’re not a meaningless collocation of molecules spinning around inside an infinite and expanding vacuum (???), for no apparent rhyme or reason other than an outgrowth of ‘the laws of physics’, do you then conclude your existence now serves a purpose on this earth? be it to yourself, the other ‘poorly evolved hominids’ you walk the earth with…or its creator? i’ve yet to figure this out, if it’s even meant to be figured out. but finding ‘purpose’ ‘your why’ or even just a compelling reason to get out of bed and be ‘productive’ after your basic survival needs are met for that day / week / month’ … is worth far more to me than the finest piece of jewelry in the world. in short, you’re not alone in the search for a solution to purposelessness.

    Is that the problem here, I am just a boring mentally ill person? Since I am making myself feel bad all the time with my grotesque ego then I must be crazy, normal people don’t do that to themselves. The first step is admitting we have a problem.

    >>> would you be friends with yourself? if anyone else spoke about you the way you do…it’s likely you’d stop hanging out with said person. one way ive improved my emotional state in recent years is helping others without the expectation of reciprocity or issuing invisible promissory notes they didn’t sign for. it’s not easy, and i’ve not perfected the craft, but outside of any work you do with a clear value exchange…simply volunteering your help without wanting / expecting any money or future favors in return….something that helps people and makes them feel better, in turn can make you feel better. it’s a win win without that being the intent. one small example right now is in an office i sometimes utilize, there are many elderly folks who are terrified of computers and flustered. i know from previous experience that many are capable of learning despite their stubbornness, but just need to get the basics down of moving the mouse around, creating tabs in a browser, copy and pasting links and being more familiar with the steps to perform a given task. they will often make age based excuses (which i suffocate) and then empower them with skills that make them work more effectively. immediately they feel they owe me or from previous firms are conditioned to think they should compensate me or how they can ‘book time’ ….but in may instances it’s clear they don’t have the kind of money i would actually want to get paid if it were a transaction for an hour or two of my time. so i get them started – even if it takes more time than i have to give on a particular day – and they are over the moon excited when they can now do something so simple as drafting an email, toggle back and forth from one screen to the next (which is crucial for their line of work). it’s now become somewhat problematic because word got around that i’m ‘the guy’ to go to if they’re stuck. and i do feel empathy to their struggles, so will often stop what i’m doing to go help. often it’s just selecting the right printer or fixing default settings on the monitor. i can tell some people nearby snicker and think i’m doing it with ulterior motives (“why don’t you charge them”) but my reward is not for karmic repayment…it’s just something i seem to be good at – infusing seniors with a belief they can learn the basics of operating a computer, and teaching them shortcuts. and i’m an amateur at best with hardware, operating systems, software apps etc.. but they think i’m some IT guru 😛

    well..you get the idea, but perhaps try to apply this to your own life somehow… maybe you’re good at a sport and there’s kids in the area that don’t have any infrastructure / trainers / coaches like they do in more well funded programs. i’d bet you’d be their hero for helping them get better. just an idea to deposit our fetid egos and use them as fertilizer for other people’s growth!

    About elite pedophiles…I wonder if it is a misdirection? It reminds me of how they make George Bush seem so stupid with the “fool me once” act, this makes everyone think that TPTRTS are idiots who just happen to be in control (patriarchal inheritance), when in fact the TPTRTS are much more intelligent and better organized than normies can even imagine. Sort of along those same lines, TPTRTS could be pushing the idea that TPTRTS are immoral bad dudes, molesting and killing, etc. This makes it easier to believe that 3000 people actually died on 911, etc.

    >>>indeed, when talking about some of these ‘conspiracies’ when i was a full blown idiot (and i’m perfectly willing to concede that I still am) and thought normies could see what anyone with functioning retinas should be able to see… a common retort was ‘the government is so inept it could NEVER get away with something this large without it being exposed’ and myriad variations of this same line of thought.

    but to your speculation they are using some sort of primer to paint the false narratives…well…there’s obviously a information i’m not privy to, but to me, all of this still comes across as extremely cowardly and pathetic. that ‘they’ have to fake / misrepresent / stage …whatever you want to label it, violent events, which they know will petrify a percentage of the population, trigger anxiety, desensitize …even if they dismiss the ‘profane’ and are initiating people like you and me – into some ritual or revelation..

    meh

    i am fascinated with the notion that there’s some larger purpose to the shenanigans, but it all comes across to me as deceptive, manipulative, lying..character traits i don’t hold in high regard. if they’re worshiping entities / gods who are based on myths or possibly identifiable in the natural world via symbols or mathematical symmetry …i’m more inclined to think they’re benign if they did so in a manner conducive to – dare i say – a healthier human permaculture!

    This system is a voluntary system, it isn’t like a jail. People are choosing to work 40+ hours a week to keep the system going. Its not like they are being kidnapped and placed into this system. It makes me think of species specific bird houses, if you build the right kind of bird house then that kind of bird will naturally find the house and move in on it’s own, you don’t have to go out and trap that kind of bird.

    >> indeed, but when there’s such intense social pressure by friends, family, ‘society’ to conform and ‘be successful’ ‘productive’ ‘work, work, work, work, work’ — as well the expectations by the opposite sex to have a mandatory minimum amount of security + material comforts…well, it’s not that surprising that most choose to exchange 40+ hours. because what else are they going to do? be homeless? most people aren’t entrepreneurial, and would rather be told what to do, where to be, and what they’re worth to the marketplace. so long as there’s some semblance of stability to their shelter, transport, food, utilities, escape venues and social status…is it really that bad a trade compared to the alternatives? especially if we are often our own worst disciplinarians / bosses?

    Dante said that he would want to know if there are elite pedophiles, even if it did not change anything about his life.

    >>> i’m almost certain there are pedophiles in the regular population, so it would not be shocking if there were depraved syndicates up the pyramid of power. and i would – for lack of a better word – describe these acts as evil and decry any entity that had the ability to stop such horror, if only preemptively in their creation. because if there is an ‘intelligent designer’ – separate to or part of its creation, i would not ascribe the term ‘beautiful’ or ‘benign’ to it while helpless children suffer and are permanently scarred for life on account of these sick individuals imposing their will improperly.
    i didn’t bring up the topic, but apparently did not articulate myself well – if at all – in what I was conveying about this and the transagenda. essentially if engaging in a hypothetical – i was defending my wanting to know whether or not the ‘ruling class’ did in fact have child kidnapping rings. part and parcel to wanting to know whether people died or not in S.H or 9/11. my life has changed – both my inner life of thoughts and emotional well being – and my interaction with the physical world – significantly since recognizing media fakery. i no longer participate in any ‘truth’ events, nor do i get upset when there’s a ‘false flag.’ these may not seem so significant, but now that i think about it more carefully, i discontinued working on a startup project that i and my then colleague with a team in india – invested several thousand dollars and hundreds of hours on while getting incubated by a well known accelerator group. my passion for this project – centered around a political domain, drastically diminished. the thought of spending years on something that was clearly not going to be impactful-
    given what i recognized was a stunningly broad spectrum of deception. a daunting admission to make, but one i had to come to terms with, if only not to waste OTHER people’s time and money. to this day, resources were an issue, but many don’t know why i didn’t ‘pivot’ and do something else in the field. “you used to be so passionate” i can cite many other examples where my awareness of X has led to changes in Y – but do not wish to bore anyone reading about my personal life.

    What if the opposite was true, what if Dante knew that the TPTRTS were not pedophiles at all, but instead were like real life angels, and that they did everything they do for very good, well thought out reasons. Would that change things?

    >> if watching people kill each other on a screen is not good for my health, than the stories they put out about pedophilia aren’t either. i’m open to hearing others’ perspectives on how / why ‘they’ need to lie in order to be angels but i presently don’t accept this line of reasoning.

    *decided not to have a reply lingering in draft form, so please excuse any flaws or incomplete trains of thought*

    • 23-October-2017 at 4:58 pm
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      Excellent post Dante. I agree with everything you say and share similar feelings in what you have expressed here. You show great wisdom in your thinking.

    • 25-October-2017 at 12:16 pm
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      *decided not to have a reply lingering in draft form, so please excuse any flaws or incomplete trains of thought*

      Excellent. Much better this way.

      in short, you’re not alone in the search for a solution to purposelessness.

      100%. Well said.

      would you be friends with yourself? if anyone else spoke about you the way you do…it’s likely you’d stop hanging out with said person.

      Very well said. Pertinent.

      just an idea to deposit our fetid egos and use them as fertilizer for other people’s growth!

      I concur wholeheartedly. Once upon a time I volunteered as a junior sports coach (none of the kids’ dads could or would do the job themselves). Immensely rewarding; a deep sense of satisfaction after every long day.

      indeed, but when there’s such intense social pressure by friends, family, ‘society’ to conform and ‘be successful’ ‘productive’ ‘work, work, work, work, work’ — as well the expectations by the opposite sex to have a mandatory minimum amount of security + material comforts…well, it’s not that surprising that most choose to exchange 40+ hours. because what else are they going to do?

      And these exact same words could be written about people closer to the top of the system. That is, you could just as easily justify the behaviour of the people closer to the top. Even if they do engage in some form of ritual child abuse, ‘imagine the pressure they must feel’ to go along with it!

      Some will retort, ‘oh but my job does not involve anything nearly as bad as child abuse’. I’m sure it doesn’t, but that is not the issue: the issue is justifying the role we play in the system. Those who remain convinced that the system is ‘evil’ need to find this justification, to allay the inevitable dissonance which results form their dedication of their life energy to said system. Those who are genuinely open to the possibility that the system is not ‘evil’ (or that those at the top are not ‘evil’) need no such justification.

      i didn’t bring up the topic, but apparently did not articulate myself well – if at all – in what I was conveying about this and the transagenda. essentially if engaging in a hypothetical – i was defending my wanting to know whether or not the ‘ruling class’ did in fact have child kidnapping rings. part and parcel to wanting to know whether people died or not in S.H or 9/11. my life has changed – both my inner life of thoughts and emotional well being – and my interaction with the physical world – significantly since recognizing media fakery. i no longer participate in any ‘truth’ events, nor do i get upset when there’s a ‘false flag.’

      And how would you life change if you saw 100% undeniable evidence that that the ‘elite’ do indeed engage in ritual child abuse, that nobody above a certain level is allowed to remain if they do not partake in the rituals. What would change in your life then? I mean actual change, not just ‘in my mind’.

      Like you, my life changed when I learned about media fakery. I used to watch hours of TV (primarily ABC online) every week. I now do not. I got into creating my own content via the ARP and today spend my time as something of a digital nomad. My life has changed significantly and demonstrably as a result of learning about media fakery.

      How would my life change if I saw 100% undeniable evidence that the ‘elite’ do indeed engage in ritual child abuse? I don’t think my life would change in any demonstrable way, to be honest. I currently operate on the assumption that TPWRTS may be truly ‘evil’, they may be truly ‘good’, they may be anything in between, and there is literally nothing I can do to change it regardless of the case. Nothing I do is premised on these guys not being evil. If it turns out they are, I carry on with my life as is.

      Therefore, why would I waste my precious time, and allow other people to implant dark images and ideas into my head? What possible good can it serve me? No way. Insane.

      No different to me than watching ‘news’ about ‘war’ at 6pm. No real evidence provided, even if their stories are true there is nothing I can do about it, a waste of my finite time, and dark images implanted into my head. I decide to sit in front of the TV and partake in that experience (under the pretense of ‘learning’) and I am a complete and utter retard. No ifs, no buts, no maybes.

  • 23-October-2017 at 2:47 am
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    I was thinking of joining you today. I have my son every second weekend. He leaves at 5:30pm so if you guys are still going I’ll hop on and join you guys cheers.

    • 25-October-2017 at 12:29 pm
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      At the moment, the call is from 6pm New York time Saturday night. From memory I seem to recall you being in/near Edmonton, which is apparently two hours behind New York. The calls have usually been two-three hours long, so you should be able to take part in the second half. If there is one thing these calls are currently lacking, it is some Bi Law Man.

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